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Attributes | |
ACN | 392301 |
Time | |
Date | 199712 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 500 agl bound upper : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 |
ASRS Report | 392301 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Took off behind a B727 and at approximately 500 ft AGL got a sharp jolt and an immediate momentary roll (uncommanded) and brief stick shaker indication. Air was otherwise smooth. Our airspeed was approximately 150 KIAS and accelerating. We were cleared for takeoff while B727 was still on runway 27 just commencing rotation. Suspect that we flew through his wake. Our passenger commented on this encounter when deplaning in msp. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: callback in conjunction with wake turbulence study. Reporter captain affirmed his aircraft is a DC9-30 but didn't know the specific model of the B727. Reporter captain had made a comment to his first officer that their takeoff clearance was a little premature since the B727 was still on the runway on a long takeoff roll. After takeoff, reporter made slight turn to the right in attempt to remain clear of the wake, though the clearance was to remain on runway heading 270 degrees. Reporter was surprised to learn when talking to the tower that they thought the other aircraft was a B757, which would have been much worse and captain would not have accepted the clearance. Reporter says the system is so overloaded that he now operates on the extra cautious mode and steps back a little to take his time, not accepting immediate takeoff clrncs or expedited lndgs. He says he hopes everyone will re- evaluate the rush of things and slow down a little.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9-30 ACFT CLRED FOR TKOF WHILE PRECEDING B727 WAS STILL ON TKOF ROLL. RPTR CAPT STARTED TKOF SLOWLY AND ADJUSTED HDG SLIGHTLY AFTER TKOF, BUT HIT WAKE TURB AT APPROX 500 FT. ENCOUNTER WAS 3-4 SECONDS WITH A RAPID JOLT AND ROLL L.
Narrative: TOOK OFF BEHIND A B727 AND AT APPROX 500 FT AGL GOT A SHARP JOLT AND AN IMMEDIATE MOMENTARY ROLL (UNCOMMANDED) AND BRIEF STICK SHAKER INDICATION. AIR WAS OTHERWISE SMOOTH. OUR AIRSPD WAS APPROX 150 KIAS AND ACCELERATING. WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF WHILE B727 WAS STILL ON RWY 27 JUST COMMENCING ROTATION. SUSPECT THAT WE FLEW THROUGH HIS WAKE. OUR PAX COMMENTED ON THIS ENCOUNTER WHEN DEPLANING IN MSP. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: CALLBACK IN CONJUNCTION WITH WAKE TURB STUDY. RPTR CAPT AFFIRMED HIS ACFT IS A DC9-30 BUT DIDN'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC MODEL OF THE B727. RPTR CAPT HAD MADE A COMMENT TO HIS FO THAT THEIR TKOF CLRNC WAS A LITTLE PREMATURE SINCE THE B727 WAS STILL ON THE RWY ON A LONG TKOF ROLL. AFTER TKOF, RPTR MADE SLIGHT TURN TO THE R IN ATTEMPT TO REMAIN CLR OF THE WAKE, THOUGH THE CLRNC WAS TO REMAIN ON RWY HDG 270 DEGS. RPTR WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN WHEN TALKING TO THE TWR THAT THEY THOUGHT THE OTHER ACFT WAS A B757, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE AND CAPT WOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC. RPTR SAYS THE SYS IS SO OVERLOADED THAT HE NOW OPERATES ON THE EXTRA CAUTIOUS MODE AND STEPS BACK A LITTLE TO TAKE HIS TIME, NOT ACCEPTING IMMEDIATE TKOF CLRNCS OR EXPEDITED LNDGS. HE SAYS HE HOPES EVERYONE WILL RE- EVALUATE THE RUSH OF THINGS AND SLOW DOWN A LITTLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.