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Air carrier captain concerned with tower actions wisdom of taxiing his MD80 onto runway with a commuter aircraft in position for takeoff, in the name of expediting departure traffic. Captain states commuter hard to see at night on runway because it is aligned on the runway centerline lights.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 392360 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199801 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 392360 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Holding short for takeoff runway 17R dfw. Just prior to being given clearance for position and hold runway 17R, a commuter was given the same clearance for the same runway 17R. We are now both on runway 17R with the commuter in front of us. The commuter is difficult to see because it is at night and he is aligned with the runway centerline lights. Other aircraft are being cleared from numerous locations to cross from runway 17L across runway 17R. We are inviting a mishap with this degree of activity. What little there is to be gained from all of this is not worth the risk.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT CONCERNED WITH TWR ACTIONS WISDOM OF TAXIING HIS MD80 ONTO RWY WITH A COMMUTER ACFT IN POS FOR TKOF, IN THE NAME OF EXPEDITING DEP TFC. CAPT STATES COMMUTER HARD TO SEE AT NIGHT ON RWY BECAUSE IT IS ALIGNED ON THE RWY CTRLINE LIGHTS.
Narrative: HOLDING SHORT FOR TKOF RWY 17R DFW. JUST PRIOR TO BEING GIVEN CLRNC FOR POS AND HOLD RWY 17R, A COMMUTER WAS GIVEN THE SAME CLRNC FOR THE SAME RWY 17R. WE ARE NOW BOTH ON RWY 17R WITH THE COMMUTER IN FRONT OF US. THE COMMUTER IS DIFFICULT TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS AT NIGHT AND HE IS ALIGNED WITH THE RWY CTRLINE LIGHTS. OTHER ACFT ARE BEING CLRED FROM NUMEROUS LOCATIONS TO CROSS FROM RWY 17L ACROSS RWY 17R. WE ARE INVITING A MISHAP WITH THIS DEG OF ACTIVITY. WHAT LITTLE THERE IS TO BE GAINED FROM ALL OF THIS IS NOT WORTH THE RISK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.