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Flight crew of light transport on a STAR into dfw receives a call from center asking if they are able to make a crossing restr. They have not heard a clearance to do so, and are told to do the best they can.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 393220 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199802 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : byp |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 9650 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 393220 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were at 11000 ft just north of bonham and ZFW asked us if we were going to make our crossing restr (ie, karla at 7000 ft) on the bonham 2 arrival. We told him that we were not given karla at 7000 ft but would try to make it anyway and hurry down. We crossed karla at 8300 ft. Center said do the best we could to cross karla at 7000 ft and contact approach. I conferred with my first officer to make sure that we weren't given something (karla at 7000 ft) and I just missed it. He did not hear it either. If we were by some chance given karla at 7000 ft neither of us heard it. He was not very busy at the time so there was no problem with other aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LTT ON A STAR INTO DFW RECEIVES A CALL FROM CTR ASKING IF THEY ARE ABLE TO MAKE A XING RESTR. THEY HAVE NOT HEARD A CLRNC TO DO SO, AND ARE TOLD TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN.
Narrative: WE WERE AT 11000 FT JUST N OF BONHAM AND ZFW ASKED US IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE OUR XING RESTR (IE, KARLA AT 7000 FT) ON THE BONHAM 2 ARR. WE TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE NOT GIVEN KARLA AT 7000 FT BUT WOULD TRY TO MAKE IT ANYWAY AND HURRY DOWN. WE CROSSED KARLA AT 8300 FT. CTR SAID DO THE BEST WE COULD TO CROSS KARLA AT 7000 FT AND CONTACT APCH. I CONFERRED WITH MY FO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T GIVEN SOMETHING (KARLA AT 7000 FT) AND I JUST MISSED IT. HE DID NOT HEAR IT EITHER. IF WE WERE BY SOME CHANCE GIVEN KARLA AT 7000 FT NEITHER OF US HEARD IT. HE WAS NOT VERY BUSY AT THE TIME SO THERE WAS NO PROB WITH OTHER ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.