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While conducting an approach to ILS runway 27L, air carrier captain states he overflew aircraft in position for takeoff on runway 22L. Captain queries controller about operation, but controller states everything was legal. Captain has serious safety concerns regarding this type of operation. Reduced visibility and WX were factors.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 395534 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ord |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 88 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 6250 |
| ASRS Report | 395534 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were inside the OM on a runway 27L ILS to ord. Tower cleared another air carrier to takeoff in front of us on runway 22L. For unknown reasons that aircraft delayed their takeoff. Contributing factors included reduced visibility due to local snow shower and numerous other departures waiting to go. When other aircraft finally initiated takeoff roll, our aircraft was on short final. This resulted in our aircraft passing over the tail of the departing aircraft with less than 200 ft vertical separation. Tower never modified our landing clearance or other aircraft's takeoff clearance. When I questioned the controller regarding the incident, he told me everything was 'legal' regarding the operation. I have serious concerns regarding the safety of this type of operation. Correction action: during peak traffic times and intersecting runway operations, more stringent spacing requirements should be used for this particular runway confign. Callback conversation with facility specialist revealed the following information: called facility specialist to obtain further information concerning aircraft landing runway 27L with aircraft in position on runway 22L. An aircraft may be in position runway 22L only south of taxiway Q when an aircraft is landing on runway 27L.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHILE CONDUCTING AN APCH TO ILS RWY 27L, ACR CAPT STATES HE OVERFLEW ACFT IN POS FOR TKOF ON RWY 22L. CAPT QUERIES CTLR ABOUT OP, BUT CTLR STATES EVERYTHING WAS LEGAL. CAPT HAS SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THIS TYPE OF OP. REDUCED VISIBILITY AND WX WERE FACTORS.
Narrative: WE WERE INSIDE THE OM ON A RWY 27L ILS TO ORD. TWR CLRED ANOTHER ACR TO TKOF IN FRONT OF US ON RWY 22L. FOR UNKNOWN REASONS THAT ACFT DELAYED THEIR TKOF. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS INCLUDED REDUCED VISIBILITY DUE TO LCL SNOW SHOWER AND NUMEROUS OTHER DEPS WAITING TO GO. WHEN OTHER ACFT FINALLY INITIATED TKOF ROLL, OUR ACFT WAS ON SHORT FINAL. THIS RESULTED IN OUR ACFT PASSING OVER THE TAIL OF THE DEPARTING ACFT WITH LESS THAN 200 FT VERT SEPARATION. TWR NEVER MODIFIED OUR LNDG CLRNC OR OTHER ACFT'S TKOF CLRNC. WHEN I QUESTIONED THE CTLR REGARDING THE INCIDENT, HE TOLD ME EVERYTHING WAS 'LEGAL' REGARDING THE OP. I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS REGARDING THE SAFETY OF THIS TYPE OF OP. CORRECTION ACTION: DURING PEAK TFC TIMES AND INTERSECTING RWY OPS, MORE STRINGENT SPACING REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR RWY CONFIGN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH FACILITY SPECIALIST REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: CALLED FACILITY SPECIALIST TO OBTAIN FURTHER INFO CONCERNING ACFT LNDG RWY 27L WITH ACFT IN POSITION ON RWY 22L. AN ACFT MAY BE IN POSITION RWY 22L ONLY S OF TXWY Q WHEN AN ACFT IS LNDG ON RWY 27L.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.