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B727-100 aircraft on STAR with crossing restr, flight crew had wrong NAVAID tuned to identify the intersection and were probably off course as well as off speed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 395826 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : fgt airport : msp |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727-100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : zmp |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 5400 flight time type : 320 |
| ASRS Report | 395826 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Our day started at XA36 local, showtime for an XB36 local (CDT) departure. When we showed for the trip we were notified that our flight was going to be delayed 2 hours for an aircraft coming in from oak (a B727-200). So I tried to get a little rest before the flight, but couldn't sleep. When we meet at XC30, we find out that we are no longer going to wait for the B727-200 but are actually going to be taking the original B727-100 previously scheduled. The flight is supposed to be catered with breakfast meals, but after an extra 2 hours from original scheduled departure, catering still doesn't show up. So, we leave at XD37 (CST) with no food, but under the pretext of getting catered in msp. It sounds petty, but flying on the backside of the clock gets pretty hard without some sort of nourishment. Fast forward to approximately XE10 (CST) and we are on the kaspr two arrival to msp. We are cleared to cross delzy intersection fgt (115.70) 178 degree radial D24 at 11000 ft and 250 KIAS. I am flying and using the mcw (114.90) 358 degree radial for the track to delzy where we switch to fgt 178 degree radial. Approaching approximately jagow I start the descent for 11000 ft. Somewhere along the way the controller deleted the 250 KTS restr at delzy and it was not until past delzy that we realized we were using msp (115.3) for the DME readout for delzy and not fgt (115.70). I think we were close on the altitude restr but missed the 250 KTS which I guess didn't matter after the controller waived it. It is hard to go back after the fact and compute the exact numbers because of the DME difference. I know we were down a good 10-15 DME prior to the 'perceived' D24 in order to slow to 250 KTS. Basically I should have checked before following the PNF's lead for the DME hold, then I would have caught the 115.30 versus 115.70. Also, we were all very tired and hungry which is a bad combo after being up all night.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727-100 ACFT ON STAR WITH XING RESTR, FLC HAD WRONG NAVAID TUNED TO IDENT THE INTXN AND WERE PROBABLY OFF COURSE AS WELL AS OFF SPD.
Narrative: OUR DAY STARTED AT XA36 LCL, SHOWTIME FOR AN XB36 LCL (CDT) DEP. WHEN WE SHOWED FOR THE TRIP WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT OUR FLT WAS GOING TO BE DELAYED 2 HRS FOR AN ACFT COMING IN FROM OAK (A B727-200). SO I TRIED TO GET A LITTLE REST BEFORE THE FLT, BUT COULDN'T SLEEP. WHEN WE MEET AT XC30, WE FIND OUT THAT WE ARE NO LONGER GOING TO WAIT FOR THE B727-200 BUT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE TAKING THE ORIGINAL B727-100 PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED. THE FLT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CATERED WITH BREAKFAST MEALS, BUT AFTER AN EXTRA 2 HRS FROM ORIGINAL SCHEDULED DEP, CATERING STILL DOESN'T SHOW UP. SO, WE LEAVE AT XD37 (CST) WITH NO FOOD, BUT UNDER THE PRETEXT OF GETTING CATERED IN MSP. IT SOUNDS PETTY, BUT FLYING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE CLOCK GETS PRETTY HARD WITHOUT SOME SORT OF NOURISHMENT. FAST FORWARD TO APPROX XE10 (CST) AND WE ARE ON THE KASPR TWO ARR TO MSP. WE ARE CLRED TO CROSS DELZY INTXN FGT (115.70) 178 DEG RADIAL D24 AT 11000 FT AND 250 KIAS. I AM FLYING AND USING THE MCW (114.90) 358 DEG RADIAL FOR THE TRACK TO DELZY WHERE WE SWITCH TO FGT 178 DEG RADIAL. APCHING APPROX JAGOW I START THE DSCNT FOR 11000 FT. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY THE CTLR DELETED THE 250 KTS RESTR AT DELZY AND IT WAS NOT UNTIL PAST DELZY THAT WE REALIZED WE WERE USING MSP (115.3) FOR THE DME READOUT FOR DELZY AND NOT FGT (115.70). I THINK WE WERE CLOSE ON THE ALT RESTR BUT MISSED THE 250 KTS WHICH I GUESS DIDN'T MATTER AFTER THE CTLR WAIVED IT. IT IS HARD TO GO BACK AFTER THE FACT AND COMPUTE THE EXACT NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THE DME DIFFERENCE. I KNOW WE WERE DOWN A GOOD 10-15 DME PRIOR TO THE 'PERCEIVED' D24 IN ORDER TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. BASICALLY I SHOULD HAVE CHKED BEFORE FOLLOWING THE PNF'S LEAD FOR THE DME HOLD, THEN I WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THE 115.30 VERSUS 115.70. ALSO, WE WERE ALL VERY TIRED AND HUNGRY WHICH IS A BAD COMBO AFTER BEING UP ALL NIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.