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A B757 lands at den, co, only to be unsure of where the runway hold short lines are. Hold short indication is a light placed next to the taxiway for better nighttime visibility.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 396074 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : den |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 396074 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Where have all the hold short lines gone? After landing runway 35R at den, tower instructed us to exit P7 and turn left on ec to hold short of runway 35L. Approaching runway 35L I noticed we were slowly creeping towards the runway. I was about to remind the captain to hold short, when he asked me if the next intersection was indeed the runway. I replied yes, and we came to a stop about 15-20 ft from the runway. A few seconds later tower called and requested we hold our position. Neither the captain nor I saw the hold line on the taxiway. It turns out den doesn't have painted hold short lines on the taxiway. They have a lighted sign to the left of the taxiway with a graphic depiction of a hold short line on it. Both the captain and I have flown in and out of den since it first opened over 3 yrs ago, yet we both failed to see the hold short sign, since we were looking for the painted hold short line.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 LANDS AT DEN, CO, ONLY TO BE UNSURE OF WHERE THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINES ARE. HOLD SHORT INDICATION IS A LIGHT PLACED NEXT TO THE TXWY FOR BETTER NIGHTTIME VISIBILITY.
Narrative: WHERE HAVE ALL THE HOLD SHORT LINES GONE? AFTER LNDG RWY 35R AT DEN, TWR INSTRUCTED US TO EXIT P7 AND TURN L ON EC TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 35L. APCHING RWY 35L I NOTICED WE WERE SLOWLY CREEPING TOWARDS THE RWY. I WAS ABOUT TO REMIND THE CAPT TO HOLD SHORT, WHEN HE ASKED ME IF THE NEXT INTXN WAS INDEED THE RWY. I REPLIED YES, AND WE CAME TO A STOP ABOUT 15-20 FT FROM THE RWY. A FEW SECONDS LATER TWR CALLED AND REQUESTED WE HOLD OUR POS. NEITHER THE CAPT NOR I SAW THE HOLD LINE ON THE TXWY. IT TURNS OUT DEN DOESN'T HAVE PAINTED HOLD SHORT LINES ON THE TXWY. THEY HAVE A LIGHTED SIGN TO THE L OF THE TXWY WITH A GRAPHIC DEPICTION OF A HOLD SHORT LINE ON IT. BOTH THE CAPT AND I HAVE FLOWN IN AND OUT OF DEN SINCE IT FIRST OPENED OVER 3 YRS AGO, YET WE BOTH FAILED TO SEE THE HOLD SHORT SIGN, SINCE WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE PAINTED HOLD SHORT LINE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.