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A departure atx flight queries ground controller as to the base of the class B at mco. Is told 6500 ft. The atx departs VFR for en route clearance pick up as ground controller had advised them that the radar at departure airport, sfb, was inoperative. Flight penetrates the class B at 6000 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 396260 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfb |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mco tower : sfb |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 350 flight time total : 2700 flight time type : 1300 |
| ASRS Report | 396260 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 396261 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Sanford tower had advised that their radar is inoperative and that we could depart VFR and retrieve our clearance in the air with orlando approach. Upon request we inquired what altitude was safe for myself and the captain to climb up to. We departed east and climbed to 6000 ft. Climbing through 4500 ft to 6000 ft. We called orlando approach for our IFR clearance and said she doesn't have our clearance yet and if we knew that we were in orlando class B at 6000 ft. She then advised us to descend to 4500 ft and wait to pick up clearance. We pick up clearance and then proceeded on our flight. To prevent: IFR charts should show airspace altitudes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DEP ATX FLT QUERIES GND CTLR AS TO THE BASE OF THE CLASS B AT MCO. IS TOLD 6500 FT. THE ATX DEPARTS VFR FOR ENRTE CLRNC PICK UP AS GND CTLR HAD ADVISED THEM THAT THE RADAR AT DEP ARPT, SFB, WAS INOP. FLT PENETRATES THE CLASS B AT 6000 FT.
Narrative: SANFORD TWR HAD ADVISED THAT THEIR RADAR IS INOP AND THAT WE COULD DEPART VFR AND RETRIEVE OUR CLRNC IN THE AIR WITH ORLANDO APCH. UPON REQUEST WE INQUIRED WHAT ALT WAS SAFE FOR MYSELF AND THE CAPT TO CLB UP TO. WE DEPARTED E AND CLBED TO 6000 FT. CLBING THROUGH 4500 FT TO 6000 FT. WE CALLED ORLANDO APCH FOR OUR IFR CLRNC AND SAID SHE DOESN'T HAVE OUR CLRNC YET AND IF WE KNEW THAT WE WERE IN ORLANDO CLASS B AT 6000 FT. SHE THEN ADVISED US TO DSND TO 4500 FT AND WAIT TO PICK UP CLRNC. WE PICK UP CLRNC AND THEN PROCEEDED ON OUR FLT. TO PREVENT: IFR CHARTS SHOULD SHOW AIRSPACE ALTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.