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2 small aircraft's come within 200 ft vertically when landing traffic flies over a C152 who had crossed the hold line for the active runway. CTAF was in use with landing aircraft having called final 15 seconds before other aircraft announced taking the runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 396932 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : rsn |
| State Reference | LA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 600 flight time type : 450 |
| ASRS Report | 396932 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 28 vertical : 150 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was short final with my student approximately 300 ft AGL landing rsn. A C152 called departing on the runway I was landing on approximately 15 seconds after I called final on CTAF. I immediately warned the pilot, telling him I was short final. He acknowledged. My student and I were coming in high and crossed the threshold about 200 ft AGL. I had the other aircraft in sight at all times. After I warned the pilot, he stopped approximately 10-20 ft past the hold short line. After I passed over him (in sight), I lost sight of him and thought he went back to the other side of the hold short line (non active). I felt there was no danger, and I was positive the safety of the flight was not being jeopardized, so I landed the aircraft. When I cleared the runway he was still on the active side of the hold short line, but not on the runway. Supplemental information from acn 396352: after doing runup with student, I looked for traffic on final and crossed threshold. Heard warning called from either aircraft behind me on taxiway or aircraft on short final. Hit brakes, came to a stop. Asked where aircraft was and saw its wings. What I believed caused the problem was my complacency from operating out of the same field and expecting not to see other aircraft that close. Boy was I surprised. To prevent this, I need to keep a better lookout before departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 SMA'S COME WITHIN 200 FT VERTLY WHEN LNDG TFC FLIES OVER A C152 WHO HAD CROSSED THE HOLD LINE FOR THE ACTIVE RWY. CTAF WAS IN USE WITH LNDG ACFT HAVING CALLED FINAL 15 SECONDS BEFORE OTHER ACFT ANNOUNCED TAKING THE RWY.
Narrative: I WAS SHORT FINAL WITH MY STUDENT APPROX 300 FT AGL LNDG RSN. A C152 CALLED DEPARTING ON THE RWY I WAS LNDG ON APPROX 15 SECONDS AFTER I CALLED FINAL ON CTAF. I IMMEDIATELY WARNED THE PLT, TELLING HIM I WAS SHORT FINAL. HE ACKNOWLEDGED. MY STUDENT AND I WERE COMING IN HIGH AND CROSSED THE THRESHOLD ABOUT 200 FT AGL. I HAD THE OTHER ACFT IN SIGHT AT ALL TIMES. AFTER I WARNED THE PLT, HE STOPPED APPROX 10-20 FT PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE. AFTER I PASSED OVER HIM (IN SIGHT), I LOST SIGHT OF HIM AND THOUGHT HE WENT BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE (NON ACTIVE). I FELT THERE WAS NO DANGER, AND I WAS POSITIVE THE SAFETY OF THE FLT WAS NOT BEING JEOPARDIZED, SO I LANDED THE ACFT. WHEN I CLRED THE RWY HE WAS STILL ON THE ACTIVE SIDE OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE, BUT NOT ON THE RWY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 396352: AFTER DOING RUNUP WITH STUDENT, I LOOKED FOR TFC ON FINAL AND CROSSED THRESHOLD. HEARD WARNING CALLED FROM EITHER ACFT BEHIND ME ON TXWY OR ACFT ON SHORT FINAL. HIT BRAKES, CAME TO A STOP. ASKED WHERE ACFT WAS AND SAW ITS WINGS. WHAT I BELIEVED CAUSED THE PROB WAS MY COMPLACENCY FROM OPERATING OUT OF THE SAME FIELD AND EXPECTING NOT TO SEE OTHER ACFT THAT CLOSE. BOY WAS I SURPRISED. TO PREVENT THIS, I NEED TO KEEP A BETTER LOOKOUT BEFORE DEP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.