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Attributes | |
ACN | 396940 |
Time | |
Date | 199803 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rlg |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13300 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11600 flight time type : 850 |
ASRS Report | 396940 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3800 |
ASRS Report | 396942 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared by ZDV rlg direct ege and believed to have been cleared for approach. After leaving rlg, began descent from 14000 ft and at 13300 ft center inquired about altitude. We were under the impression we were cleared for a visual approach and center said if we had airport in sight, then we could be cleared visual to ege. When we said we had ege airport in sight ZDV cleared our flight for visual approach runway 25. When we were given clearance from rlg to talia, a fix on the approach, we understood that to allow for us to begin the approach, it would have been a good practice to have clarified our approach instructions as both pilots were under the idea we were cleared on a visual approach from rlg direct talia direct ege.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B757 FLC MISUNDERSTOOD A CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS AND STARTED THEIR DSCNT PRIOR TO BEING CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH.
Narrative: CLRED BY ZDV RLG DIRECT EGE AND BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN CLRED FOR APCH. AFTER LEAVING RLG, BEGAN DSCNT FROM 14000 FT AND AT 13300 FT CTR INQUIRED ABOUT ALT. WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH AND CTR SAID IF WE HAD ARPT IN SIGHT, THEN WE COULD BE CLRED VISUAL TO EGE. WHEN WE SAID WE HAD EGE ARPT IN SIGHT ZDV CLRED OUR FLT FOR VISUAL APCH RWY 25. WHEN WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC FROM RLG TO TALIA, A FIX ON THE APCH, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT TO ALLOW FOR US TO BEGIN THE APCH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE CLARIFIED OUR APCH INSTRUCTIONS AS BOTH PLTS WERE UNDER THE IDEA WE WERE CLRED ON A VISUAL APCH FROM RLG DIRECT TALIA DIRECT EGE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.