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Attributes | |
ACN | 401560 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ihkz airport : roa |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2800 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : roa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 401560 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had been cleared for the ILS runway 12R 'glideslope unusable' at the msp airport. We were cleared for the approach at 20 DME from the msp VOR. The 12R runway is under construction with the threshold displaced 4000 ft, thus the unusable glideslope. There was some confusion and discussion in the cockpit about the clearance. I was preoccupied with explaining the clearance as the first officer proceeded to descend to the minimum altitude to cross the final approach fix (2800 ft). We descended from 5000 ft to 2800 ft. Unfortunately, I failed to notice we were still outside the 13.9 DME fix which has a minimum crossing altitude of 5000 ft. The mistake was brought to our attention by the controller, at which time I became aware of our error. I told the controller we were correcting our altitude. By this time we were inside the 13.9 DME fix. The controller told us to stay at 2800 ft, that he wanted us to take note of the crossing restriction. There was no conflict to any degree as a result of our mistake. My only explanation as to why this happened is human error. We were aware of the minimum altitude, but failed to notice our position was still outside the required fix.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR SF34 FLC DSNDED BELOW THE MINIMUM XING ALT OF AN APCH FIX WHILE ON A GLIDESLOPE OUT ILS APCH.
Narrative: WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 12R 'GLIDESLOPE UNUSABLE' AT THE MSP ARPT. WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH AT 20 DME FROM THE MSP VOR. THE 12R RWY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH THE THRESHOLD DISPLACED 4000 FT, THUS THE UNUSABLE GLIDESLOPE. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AND DISCUSSION IN THE COCKPIT ABOUT THE CLRNC. I WAS PREOCCUPIED WITH EXPLAINING THE CLRNC AS THE FO PROCEEDED TO DSND TO THE MINIMUM ALT TO CROSS THE FINAL APCH FIX (2800 FT). WE DSNDED FROM 5000 FT TO 2800 FT. UNFORTUNATELY, I FAILED TO NOTICE WE WERE STILL OUTSIDE THE 13.9 DME FIX WHICH HAS A MINIMUM XING ALT OF 5000 FT. THE MISTAKE WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTN BY THE CTLR, AT WHICH TIME I BECAME AWARE OF OUR ERROR. I TOLD THE CTLR WE WERE CORRECTING OUR ALT. BY THIS TIME WE WERE INSIDE THE 13.9 DME FIX. THE CTLR TOLD US TO STAY AT 2800 FT, THAT HE WANTED US TO TAKE NOTE OF THE XING RESTRICTION. THERE WAS NO CONFLICT TO ANY DEGREE AS A RESULT OF OUR MISTAKE. MY ONLY EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THIS HAPPENED IS HUMAN ERROR. WE WERE AWARE OF THE MINIMUM ALT, BUT FAILED TO NOTICE OUR POS WAS STILL OUTSIDE THE REQUIRED FIX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.