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Flight crew received complaint from airport that their departure failed to follow the noise abatement procedure by turning too early after takeoff. Reporter was instructed by departure control to turn early for opposite direction traffic.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 402938 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 402938 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We received a letter from the noise abatement authority/authorized at lax for turning before the shoreline departing runway 25R early in the morning when they are using runway 6R ILS for arrs. However, we were advised to turn for inbound opposite direction ILS traffic. If lax is going to use this procedure they can save themselves the paperwork because these things will happen on a regular basis. On a flight the week before (same time and flight number) we got a TCASII advisory and turned early but evidently we did not fly over el segundo noise sensitive area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC RECEIVED COMPLAINT FROM ARPT THAT THEIR DEP FAILED TO FOLLOW THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROC BY TURNING TOO EARLY AFTER TKOF. RPTR WAS INSTRUCTED BY DEP CTL TO TURN EARLY FOR OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC.
Narrative: WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE NOISE ABATEMENT AUTH AT LAX FOR TURNING BEFORE THE SHORELINE DEPARTING RWY 25R EARLY IN THE MORNING WHEN THEY ARE USING RWY 6R ILS FOR ARRS. HOWEVER, WE WERE ADVISED TO TURN FOR INBOUND OPPOSITE DIRECTION ILS TFC. IF LAX IS GOING TO USE THIS PROC THEY CAN SAVE THEMSELVES THE PAPERWORK BECAUSE THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN ON A REGULAR BASIS. ON A FLT THE WK BEFORE (SAME TIME AND FLT NUMBER) WE GOT A TCASII ADVISORY AND TURNED EARLY BUT EVIDENTLY WE DID NOT FLY OVER EL SEGUNDO NOISE SENSITIVE AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.