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Attributes | |
ACN | 403461 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sli airport : lgb |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 403461 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 200 |
Narrative:
I was the captain flying from lgb to dfw. The IFR departure clearance was at 1500 ft turn left to 180 degrees and maintain 3000 ft. On a heading of 180 degrees and 3000 ft approximately 5 NM southwest of lgb TCASII gave a TA on traffic at 1 O'clock position and 7 NM followed shortly by an RA of 1000-1500 FPM climb. A climb was begun and the traffic was sighted by the captain first officer. Approximately 10 seconds later a 'monitor vertical speed' command was given by TCASII. I looked at the TCASII display which indicated the conflicting target at 11 O'clock position less than 1 mi. I sighted the traffic at 11 O'clock position and maintained approximately 1000 FPM climb (green band) and missed the light twin at 11 O'clock position by less than 200 ft vertical and 200 ft horizontal. We climbed to approximately 3400-3500 ft as commanded by the TCASII RA. Departure control was notified of our RA and climb. Summary: the first officer stated 'I think we would have hit the 1 O'clock position traffic if we had not climbed.' I therefore think the TCASII RA of the 1 O'clock position target was correct but the resulting climb put us in very close proximity to the 11 O'clock position target. Departure control was of no help, no advisories, no turns, no help. I can't believe that in a high density area such as lax-lgb that 500 ft separation exist between IFR and VFR traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW IS ISSUED A TCASII TA, RA, AND AN ENHANCED RA. WARNINGS ARE TO AVOID TWO OTHER ACFT.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT FLYING FROM LGB TO DFW. THE IFR DEP CLRNC WAS AT 1500 FT TURN L TO 180 DEGS AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT. ON A HDG OF 180 DEGS AND 3000 FT APPROX 5 NM SW OF LGB TCASII GAVE A TA ON TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS AND 7 NM FOLLOWED SHORTLY BY AN RA OF 1000-1500 FPM CLB. A CLB WAS BEGUN AND THE TFC WAS SIGHTED BY THE CAPT FO. APPROX 10 SECONDS LATER A 'MONITOR VERT SPD' COMMAND WAS GIVEN BY TCASII. I LOOKED AT THE TCASII DISPLAY WHICH INDICATED THE CONFLICTING TARGET AT 11 O'CLOCK POS LESS THAN 1 MI. I SIGHTED THE TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK POS AND MAINTAINED APPROX 1000 FPM CLB (GREEN BAND) AND MISSED THE LIGHT TWIN AT 11 O'CLOCK POS BY LESS THAN 200 FT VERT AND 200 FT HORIZ. WE CLBED TO APPROX 3400-3500 FT AS COMMANDED BY THE TCASII RA. DEP CTL WAS NOTIFIED OF OUR RA AND CLB. SUMMARY: THE FO STATED 'I THINK WE WOULD HAVE HIT THE 1 O'CLOCK POS TFC IF WE HAD NOT CLBED.' I THEREFORE THINK THE TCASII RA OF THE 1 O'CLOCK POS TARGET WAS CORRECT BUT THE RESULTING CLB PUT US IN VERY CLOSE PROX TO THE 11 O'CLOCK POS TARGET. DEP CTL WAS OF NO HELP, NO ADVISORIES, NO TURNS, NO HELP. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT IN A HIGH DENSITY AREA SUCH AS LAX-LGB THAT 500 FT SEPARATION EXIST BTWN IFR AND VFR TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.