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An E120 pilot and a ZJX controller were not communicating with each other on a victor airway routing at a flight level altitude.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 406540 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199806 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : gnv |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 20000 msl bound upper : 20000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Xingu EMB-121 All Series |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6600 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 406540 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : unable other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
ATC tried to assign us a victor airway while we were cruising at 20000 ft. When questioned, he then assigned us a jet airway (J-43) with an MEA of 25000 ft. Again, we questioned the clearance. The supervisor came on and said he can assign us a victor airway at that altitude. He then assigned us a chain of vors and wanted us to call him on the phone. When I realized that the call would be long distance I told him I would not be calling. He said he would get the information he needed from my company. Even though this event was not a safety issue, his apparent lack of understanding of the airway system (he could have assigned us the radials which form the airways) concerned me. Who knows what he may think we violated.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN E120 PLT AND A ZJX CTLR WERE NOT COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER ON A VICTOR AIRWAY ROUTING AT A FLT LEVEL ALT.
Narrative: ATC TRIED TO ASSIGN US A VICTOR AIRWAY WHILE WE WERE CRUISING AT 20000 FT. WHEN QUESTIONED, HE THEN ASSIGNED US A JET AIRWAY (J-43) WITH AN MEA OF 25000 FT. AGAIN, WE QUESTIONED THE CLRNC. THE SUPVR CAME ON AND SAID HE CAN ASSIGN US A VICTOR AIRWAY AT THAT ALT. HE THEN ASSIGNED US A CHAIN OF VORS AND WANTED US TO CALL HIM ON THE PHONE. WHEN I REALIZED THAT THE CALL WOULD BE LONG DISTANCE I TOLD HIM I WOULD NOT BE CALLING. HE SAID HE WOULD GET THE INFO HE NEEDED FROM MY COMPANY. EVEN THOUGH THIS EVENT WAS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE, HIS APPARENT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE AIRWAY SYS (HE COULD HAVE ASSIGNED US THE RADIALS WHICH FORM THE AIRWAYS) CONCERNED ME. WHO KNOWS WHAT HE MAY THINK WE VIOLATED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.