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A PA24-150 barely makes it through the pass in the hills south of 5f2 airport when the CFI has the student pilot make a short field takeoff on a hot day. Instructor said he has flown this aircraft heavier and on a hotter day before with no problem.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 406995 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199807 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : 5f2 |
| State Reference | OK |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 10 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 50 |
| ASRS Report | 406995 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
PA28-140 87 degrees, 63% r-hand fuel and passenger 600 pounds. Last training flight before private pilot chkride. Terrain rises south of 5f2. Student performed short field procedure. Once airborne, could not establish rate of climb equal to terrain. I, as CFI, took control of aircraft. I flew between hills, unable to get sufficient altitude to go over. I have flown this aircraft heavier, in hotter WX, and have been able to clear terrain. This day the performance of aircraft was less than usual but this could not be determined until we were airborne.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA24-150 BARELY MAKES IT THROUGH THE PASS IN THE HILLS S OF 5F2 ARPT WHEN THE CFI HAS THE STUDENT PLT MAKE A SHORT FIELD TKOF ON A HOT DAY. INSTRUCTOR SAID HE HAS FLOWN THIS ACFT HEAVIER AND ON A HOTTER DAY BEFORE WITH NO PROB.
Narrative: PA28-140 87 DEGS, 63% R-HAND FUEL AND PAX 600 LBS. LAST TRAINING FLT BEFORE PVT PLT CHKRIDE. TERRAIN RISES S OF 5F2. STUDENT PERFORMED SHORT FIELD PROC. ONCE AIRBORNE, COULD NOT ESTABLISH RATE OF CLB EQUAL TO TERRAIN. I, AS CFI, TOOK CTL OF ACFT. I FLEW BTWN HILLS, UNABLE TO GET SUFFICIENT ALT TO GO OVER. I HAVE FLOWN THIS ACFT HEAVIER, IN HOTTER WX, AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CLR TERRAIN. THIS DAY THE PERFORMANCE OF ACFT WAS LESS THAN USUAL BUT THIS COULD NOT BE DETERMINED UNTIL WE WERE AIRBORNE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.