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Attributes | |
ACN | 407199 |
Time | |
Date | 199806 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 407199 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We landed on runway 9L at mia. Clearing the runway, the captain told me to contact ramp control and that he would talk with ground. We taxied back toward the ramp. When I came back up on ground frequency, I was informed by the captain that he had been unable to contact ground to even transmit due to the extremely heavy frequency congestion. As we neared the ramp entrance, ramp control cleared us in, and we taxied on the ramp to the gate. We received no xmissions from ground. Radio frequency congestion to the degree that it is impossible to get a word in edgewise can seriously affect safety as well as impede traffic flow around an airport. Had we had an emergency requiring any assistance we would not have been able to get through to ground. In this case the captain told me that 1 aircraft had been tying up ground control. Perhaps ground should have dealt with this particular aircraft when he had more time to do so, not during a busy period when other aircraft were trying to contact ground. Maybe more ground frequencys and controllers are needed to help relieve the congestion. I do not know the answer -- but I do feel that this issue deserves the attention of us all. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the tower was busy trying to communicate with an aircraft in the cargo area that was confused with where to taxi. The tower was so intent in communicating with that aircraft that there was no way to break into the radio communications to state request or report need to taxi to the gate. Reporter really wants another first or second frequency for backup just in case this should happen again. The other pilot kept the aircraft moving towards the parking area. There were so many aircraft landing the runway had to be kept clear. By keeping the previously landed aircraft moving towards the gate the runway was never blocked. All the other aircraft seemed to be doing the same thing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 LANDS AT MIA, THEN, AS HE TRIES TO TAXI FROM THE RWY TO GATE, THEY ARE UNABLE TO BE IN RADIO COM WITH THE GND CTLR. CAPT KEPT THE ACFT MOVING FORWARD UNTIL HE HAD CLRNC FROM THE RAMP CTLR TO MOVE INTO THE GATE AREA.
Narrative: WE LANDED ON RWY 9L AT MIA. CLRING THE RWY, THE CAPT TOLD ME TO CONTACT RAMP CTL AND THAT HE WOULD TALK WITH GND. WE TAXIED BACK TOWARD THE RAMP. WHEN I CAME BACK UP ON GND FREQ, I WAS INFORMED BY THE CAPT THAT HE HAD BEEN UNABLE TO CONTACT GND TO EVEN XMIT DUE TO THE EXTREMELY HVY FREQ CONGESTION. AS WE NEARED THE RAMP ENTRANCE, RAMP CTL CLRED US IN, AND WE TAXIED ON THE RAMP TO THE GATE. WE RECEIVED NO XMISSIONS FROM GND. RADIO FREQ CONGESTION TO THE DEGREE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE CAN SERIOUSLY AFFECT SAFETY AS WELL AS IMPEDE TFC FLOW AROUND AN ARPT. HAD WE HAD AN EMER REQUIRING ANY ASSISTANCE WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THROUGH TO GND. IN THIS CASE THE CAPT TOLD ME THAT 1 ACFT HAD BEEN TYING UP GND CTL. PERHAPS GND SHOULD HAVE DEALT WITH THIS PARTICULAR ACFT WHEN HE HAD MORE TIME TO DO SO, NOT DURING A BUSY PERIOD WHEN OTHER ACFT WERE TRYING TO CONTACT GND. MAYBE MORE GND FREQS AND CTLRS ARE NEEDED TO HELP RELIEVE THE CONGESTION. I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER -- BUT I DO FEEL THAT THIS ISSUE DESERVES THE ATTN OF US ALL. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE TWR WAS BUSY TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH AN ACFT IN THE CARGO AREA THAT WAS CONFUSED WITH WHERE TO TAXI. THE TWR WAS SO INTENT IN COMMUNICATING WITH THAT ACFT THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO BREAK INTO THE RADIO COMS TO STATE REQUEST OR RPT NEED TO TAXI TO THE GATE. RPTR REALLY WANTS ANOTHER FIRST OR SECOND FREQ FOR BACKUP JUST IN CASE THIS SHOULD HAPPEN AGAIN. THE OTHER PLT KEPT THE ACFT MOVING TOWARDS THE PARKING AREA. THERE WERE SO MANY ACFT LNDG THE RWY HAD TO BE KEPT CLR. BY KEEPING THE PREVIOUSLY LANDED ACFT MOVING TOWARDS THE GATE THE RWY WAS NEVER BLOCKED. ALL THE OTHER ACFT SEEMED TO BE DOING THE SAME THING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.