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Attributes | |
ACN | 407824 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fpr |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1600 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 407824 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I flew through a restr area (R-29) in the middle of florida. Before the flight into the space I called ZMA for flight following. I checked the charts for the MOA and the highest ceiling was 5000 ft. Miami called back and said I was #2 for flight following, I asked if the R-29 south was hot. Miami said yes so I flew north over the avon north area at 8500 ft. Miami never called back. On the other side of the MOA I finally heard from mia. 1) the charts are not clear enough if they (the military) can NOTAM anything they want. 2) if the center is too busy to talk to pilots how can they decrease their workload? If the charts were clrer and pilot could decipher the 8 different MOA's in that single block of airspace. 3) more VFR handling personnel should be onboard to help VFR pilots. 4) MOA's should be more clear on hours of operation and altitudes. Charts more clear too. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was flying a turbo arrow aircraft. The FAA has contacted him since he sent the report. They have reviewed the incident and determined there will be no action, but a letter will be placed in his file for 2 yrs. He is quite adamant about the poor charting of the airspace and the poor handling by ATC. What disturbed him most was that he had received a briefing before leaving the bahamas and after leaving mia he learned of the new situation of a hot restr area. He feels there should be greater notice of a change in the status of the special use airspace. The hotline was recommended.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF TURBO ARROW FLIES INTO A RESTR AREA WHICH IS HOT. IT WAS NOT HOT WHEN HE RECEIVED HIS FIRST BRIEFING BUT BECOME HOT PRIOR TO HIS ENTRY.
Narrative: I FLEW THROUGH A RESTR AREA (R-29) IN THE MIDDLE OF FLORIDA. BEFORE THE FLT INTO THE SPACE I CALLED ZMA FOR FLT FOLLOWING. I CHKED THE CHARTS FOR THE MOA AND THE HIGHEST CEILING WAS 5000 FT. MIAMI CALLED BACK AND SAID I WAS #2 FOR FLT FOLLOWING, I ASKED IF THE R-29 S WAS HOT. MIAMI SAID YES SO I FLEW N OVER THE AVON NORTH AREA AT 8500 FT. MIAMI NEVER CALLED BACK. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOA I FINALLY HEARD FROM MIA. 1) THE CHARTS ARE NOT CLR ENOUGH IF THEY (THE MIL) CAN NOTAM ANYTHING THEY WANT. 2) IF THE CTR IS TOO BUSY TO TALK TO PLTS HOW CAN THEY DECREASE THEIR WORKLOAD? IF THE CHARTS WERE CLRER AND PLT COULD DECIPHER THE 8 DIFFERENT MOA'S IN THAT SINGLE BLOCK OF AIRSPACE. 3) MORE VFR HANDLING PERSONNEL SHOULD BE ONBOARD TO HELP VFR PLTS. 4) MOA'S SHOULD BE MORE CLR ON HRS OF OP AND ALTS. CHARTS MORE CLR TOO. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS FLYING A TURBO ARROW ACFT. THE FAA HAS CONTACTED HIM SINCE HE SENT THE RPT. THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE INCIDENT AND DETERMINED THERE WILL BE NO ACTION, BUT A LETTER WILL BE PLACED IN HIS FILE FOR 2 YRS. HE IS QUITE ADAMANT ABOUT THE POOR CHARTING OF THE AIRSPACE AND THE POOR HANDLING BY ATC. WHAT DISTURBED HIM MOST WAS THAT HE HAD RECEIVED A BRIEFING BEFORE LEAVING THE BAHAMAS AND AFTER LEAVING MIA HE LEARNED OF THE NEW SIT OF A HOT RESTR AREA. HE FEELS THERE SHOULD BE GREATER NOTICE OF A CHANGE IN THE STATUS OF THE SPECIAL USE AIRSPACE. THE HOTLINE WAS RECOMMENDED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.