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ATCT local controller observes F18 on high speed initial pattern entry for landing. Reporter concerned with apparent excessive pattern entry speed. Tower supervisor advises military 'on record' for such activity.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 408546 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199807 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : gjt |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6500 msl bound upper : 6500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : gjt |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Hornet (F-18) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | landing other other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| ASRS Report | 408546 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : military |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other spatial deviation |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
An F18 was instructed to report initial, runway 29. Pilot's target trails were observed on BRITE scope to be greater than 1/2 mi apart, more than 450 KTS. Someone better do something about the speed of these fighter type aircraft before someone gets killed. Just like a recent accident where the pilot of a military fgt was descending below 13000 ft before the pilot was established on the localizer. The supervisor verbally indicated to me that the military was on notice about the speed of these F18's. Apparently the word did not get around.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATCT LCL CTLR OBSERVES F18 ON HIGH SPD INITIAL PATTERN ENTRY FOR LNDG. RPTR CONCERNED WITH APPARENT EXCESSIVE PATTERN ENTRY SPD. TWR SUPVR ADVISES MIL 'ON RECORD' FOR SUCH ACTIVITY.
Narrative: AN F18 WAS INSTRUCTED TO RPT INITIAL, RWY 29. PLT'S TARGET TRAILS WERE OBSERVED ON BRITE SCOPE TO BE GREATER THAN 1/2 MI APART, MORE THAN 450 KTS. SOMEONE BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SPD OF THESE FIGHTER TYPE ACFT BEFORE SOMEONE GETS KILLED. JUST LIKE A RECENT ACCIDENT WHERE THE PLT OF A MIL FGT WAS DSNDING BELOW 13000 FT BEFORE THE PLT WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE LOC. THE SUPVR VERBALLY INDICATED TO ME THAT THE MIL WAS ON NOTICE ABOUT THE SPD OF THESE F18'S. APPARENTLY THE WORD DID NOT GET AROUND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.