An FAA inspector on a cockpit orientation tour with an FAA trainee alleges that the inbound outbound...

Attributes
ACN	409190
Time
Date	199807
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ont
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-82
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : parked
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 8000
ASRS Report	409190
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	409655
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On a through flight in ont, an FAA inspector was showing a trainee an MD80. He asked if he could step in and I said ok. I left the cockpit and sat in first class doing paperwork. He came back and said the regulator on the jump seat didn't work and asked if oxygen was on. I went to the flight deck and checked the valve and found it moved so it was somewhere between off and on. I looked up and saw the jump seat regulator was off. As I looked up, the FAA inspector said the first officer 'owed him a beer.' when he said that I left the flight deck and did not discuss the matter further. On preflight my oxygen regulator was on and had flow. I have no idea what the inspector did to the jump seat regulator when he tested it. I assumed that when he said the first officer was in debt for a beer the matter was closed and I decided not to challenge his knowledge of oxygen regulations. Supplemental information from acn 409655: we were turning to flight to pdx with a total ground time of approximately 30 mins. The FAA inspector did not request to see either the captain or first officer's airman certificates. The first officer departed the flight deck to do the exterior walkaround inspection and the captain relocated to the aircraft cabin to review the flight plan/release paperwork for the next segment. The FAA instructor and student thus had full access to the flight deck for their orientation tour. They stepped back into the cabin and thanked the captain and remarked that the first officer 'owed them a beer' because the oxygen was not on and that they would 'overlook' it this time. I also observed that the jump seat oxygen regulator was in the off position, just as it was prior to departure of flight from sea to ont. This is the normal position when there is no jump seat occupant. I believe the FAA inspector was unable to demonstrate oxygen flow through the jump seat mask because the regulator for that seat was in the off position.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN FAA INSPECTOR ON A COCKPIT ORIENTATION TOUR WITH AN FAA TRAINEE ALLEGES THAT THE INBOUND OUTBOUND CREW ON THIS THROUGH FLT DID NOT HAVE THE CREW OXYGEN SYS TURNED ON FOR THE FLT INTO ONT. CREW DISPUTES THIS IN RPTS.

Narrative: ON A THROUGH FLT IN ONT, AN FAA INSPECTOR WAS SHOWING A TRAINEE AN MD80. HE ASKED IF HE COULD STEP IN AND I SAID OK. I LEFT THE COCKPIT AND SAT IN FIRST CLASS DOING PAPERWORK. HE CAME BACK AND SAID THE REGULATOR ON THE JUMP SEAT DIDN'T WORK AND ASKED IF OXYGEN WAS ON. I WENT TO THE FLT DECK AND CHKED THE VALVE AND FOUND IT MOVED SO IT WAS SOMEWHERE BTWN OFF AND ON. I LOOKED UP AND SAW THE JUMP SEAT REGULATOR WAS OFF. AS I LOOKED UP, THE FAA INSPECTOR SAID THE FO 'OWED HIM A BEER.' WHEN HE SAID THAT I LEFT THE FLT DECK AND DID NOT DISCUSS THE MATTER FURTHER. ON PREFLT MY OXYGEN REGULATOR WAS ON AND HAD FLOW. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE INSPECTOR DID TO THE JUMP SEAT REGULATOR WHEN HE TESTED IT. I ASSUMED THAT WHEN HE SAID THE FO WAS IN DEBT FOR A BEER THE MATTER WAS CLOSED AND I DECIDED NOT TO CHALLENGE HIS KNOWLEDGE OF OXYGEN REGS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 409655: WE WERE TURNING TO FLT TO PDX WITH A TOTAL GND TIME OF APPROX 30 MINS. THE FAA INSPECTOR DID NOT REQUEST TO SEE EITHER THE CAPT OR FO'S AIRMAN CERTIFICATES. THE FO DEPARTED THE FLT DECK TO DO THE EXTERIOR WALKAROUND INSPECTION AND THE CAPT RELOCATED TO THE ACFT CABIN TO REVIEW THE FLT PLAN/RELEASE PAPERWORK FOR THE NEXT SEGMENT. THE FAA INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT THUS HAD FULL ACCESS TO THE FLT DECK FOR THEIR ORIENTATION TOUR. THEY STEPPED BACK INTO THE CABIN AND THANKED THE CAPT AND REMARKED THAT THE FO 'OWED THEM A BEER' BECAUSE THE OXYGEN WAS NOT ON AND THAT THEY WOULD 'OVERLOOK' IT THIS TIME. I ALSO OBSERVED THAT THE JUMP SEAT OXYGEN REGULATOR WAS IN THE OFF POS, JUST AS IT WAS PRIOR TO DEP OF FLT FROM SEA TO ONT. THIS IS THE NORMAL POS WHEN THERE IS NO JUMP SEAT OCCUPANT. I BELIEVE THE FAA INSPECTOR WAS UNABLE TO DEMONSTRATE OXYGEN FLOW THROUGH THE JUMP SEAT MASK BECAUSE THE REGULATOR FOR THAT SEAT WAS IN THE OFF POS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An FAA inspector on a cockpit orientation tour with an FAA trainee alleges that the inbound outbound crew on this through flight did not have the crew oxygen system turned on for the flight into ont. Crew disputes this in reports.