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Attributes | |
ACN | 409251 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 500 agl bound upper : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg tower : cvg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial ground : preflight |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 409251 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Previous ASRS report filed on CL65 flap failure without confign warning on takeoff. ASRS action apparently spurred proposed airworthiness directive by air carrier and FAA. Proposed airworthiness directive calls for a visual inspection of flap position prior to every takeoff. Cause of flap failure reported to be flap actuator with a poor history of reliability. Further ASRS action is warranted because: 1) emphasis has been placed on failure of flap actuator, not failure of confign warning and flap indication system. 2) flap system has been shown to be vulnerable to latent single point failure in both confign warning system and flap indication system. 3) external visual inspection not practical in real world conditions, especially winter operations with deicing, and flight training. At this time the company is objecting to the conditions of proposed visual inspection, and no time line for correction of actuator problem. I am concerned that little or no attention is being given to the design of the flap indication system and confign warning system. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: this report was not generated by a further incident. The reporter thinks the proposed FAA airworthiness directive note does not adequately address the problem in 2 areas: 1) the flap position is on the takeoff warning system. When all takeoff warning items have been satisfied, a 'to confign ok' green message is displayed on the EICAS screen. If any item is not satisfied, an aural warning and a voice message is given to the crew when the throttles are advanced. The problem with the current system is that the flap position sensing does not come from the actual flap position, but indirectly from the flap electrical motor. The sensing system can sense correct position, yet the flaps be incorrectly set. The visual inspection which is supposed to overcome this problem is impractical. It requires an external visual inspection by a crew member, after the flaps have been positioned for takeoff. Positioning the flaps at the gate or having a crew member exit the aircraft after taxi has begun is impractical and unsafe. What is needed is a means to measure the actual flap position. 2) the flaps are driven by an electronic motor which drives 'teleflix cables' which then drive jack screws at the end of each flap. This system has apparently proven unreliable and prone to single point failures. The reporter is concerned flap reliability is not being adequately addressed by the proposed FAA airworthiness directive note.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 CAPT COMMENTS ON THE INADEQUACY OF A PROPOSED FAA AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVE ON HIS ACFT.
Narrative: PREVIOUS ASRS RPT FILED ON CL65 FLAP FAILURE WITHOUT CONFIGN WARNING ON TKOF. ASRS ACTION APPARENTLY SPURRED PROPOSED AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVE BY ACR AND FAA. PROPOSED AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVE CALLS FOR A VISUAL INSPECTION OF FLAP POS PRIOR TO EVERY TKOF. CAUSE OF FLAP FAILURE RPTED TO BE FLAP ACTUATOR WITH A POOR HISTORY OF RELIABILITY. FURTHER ASRS ACTION IS WARRANTED BECAUSE: 1) EMPHASIS HAS BEEN PLACED ON FAILURE OF FLAP ACTUATOR, NOT FAILURE OF CONFIGN WARNING AND FLAP INDICATION SYS. 2) FLAP SYS HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE VULNERABLE TO LATENT SINGLE POINT FAILURE IN BOTH CONFIGN WARNING SYS AND FLAP INDICATION SYS. 3) EXTERNAL VISUAL INSPECTION NOT PRACTICAL IN REAL WORLD CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY WINTER OPS WITH DEICING, AND FLT TRAINING. AT THIS TIME THE COMPANY IS OBJECTING TO THE CONDITIONS OF PROPOSED VISUAL INSPECTION, AND NO TIME LINE FOR CORRECTION OF ACTUATOR PROB. I AM CONCERNED THAT LITTLE OR NO ATTN IS BEING GIVEN TO THE DESIGN OF THE FLAP INDICATION SYS AND CONFIGN WARNING SYS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THIS RPT WAS NOT GENERATED BY A FURTHER INCIDENT. THE RPTR THINKS THE PROPOSED FAA AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVE NOTE DOES NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE PROB IN 2 AREAS: 1) THE FLAP POS IS ON THE TKOF WARNING SYS. WHEN ALL TKOF WARNING ITEMS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED, A 'TO CONFIGN OK' GREEN MESSAGE IS DISPLAYED ON THE EICAS SCREEN. IF ANY ITEM IS NOT SATISFIED, AN AURAL WARNING AND A VOICE MESSAGE IS GIVEN TO THE CREW WHEN THE THROTTLES ARE ADVANCED. THE PROB WITH THE CURRENT SYS IS THAT THE FLAP POS SENSING DOES NOT COME FROM THE ACTUAL FLAP POS, BUT INDIRECTLY FROM THE FLAP ELECTRICAL MOTOR. THE SENSING SYS CAN SENSE CORRECT POS, YET THE FLAPS BE INCORRECTLY SET. THE VISUAL INSPECTION WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO OVERCOME THIS PROB IS IMPRACTICAL. IT REQUIRES AN EXTERNAL VISUAL INSPECTION BY A CREW MEMBER, AFTER THE FLAPS HAVE BEEN POSITIONED FOR TKOF. POSITIONING THE FLAPS AT THE GATE OR HAVING A CREW MEMBER EXIT THE ACFT AFTER TAXI HAS BEGUN IS IMPRACTICAL AND UNSAFE. WHAT IS NEEDED IS A MEANS TO MEASURE THE ACTUAL FLAP POS. 2) THE FLAPS ARE DRIVEN BY AN ELECTRONIC MOTOR WHICH DRIVES 'TELEFLIX CABLES' WHICH THEN DRIVE JACK SCREWS AT THE END OF EACH FLAP. THIS SYS HAS APPARENTLY PROVEN UNRELIABLE AND PRONE TO SINGLE POINT FAILURES. THE RPTR IS CONCERNED FLAP RELIABILITY IS NOT BEING ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED BY THE PROPOSED FAA AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVE NOTE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.