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Attributes | |
ACN | 409639 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cyn |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 15700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 7100 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 409639 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Radio contact with ZNY 118.97 was very weak, almost unreadable. Several other aircraft complained. While climbing out of 15000 ft, TA showed on TCASII visual and verbal 'traffic.' IMC at the time. Could hear conflicting traffic trying to explain to ATC about traffic. TA then turns to RA. Autoplt was disconnected, power reduced, and descent immediately initiated to follow TCASII instructions from vsi. The traffic was then seen below us at 600 ft below and continued to descend. Advised ATC of the incident. Supplemental information from acn 409999: ATC cleared us to 17000 ft. While climbing through 15500 ft, ATC told us to descend to 14000 ft. We noticed a TCASII target at 11 O'clock position, same altitude and climbing (B727). We pitched over to descend at 1500 FPM. At the same time, we got an RA to climb. The TCASII target was at 12 O'clock position, 2 mi and 500 ft above. At that moment, the B727 declared they had an RA to descend. At the same time we received an RA to climb. The B727 began a descent, ATC told them not to descend. They continued descent for a few moments and passed +/-1 mi and 500 ft above our altitude. I banked left and the B727 passed off our right side. Due to the rapid descent rate and idle power, we couldn't react to the climb RA until we were below the traffic. We received a clear of conflict upon leveling at 14000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DH8 ACFT GOING THROUGH 15500 FT CLBING TO 17000 FT WAS INSTRUCTED TO DSND TO 14000 FT DUE TO A B727 CLBING THROUGH THE SAME ALT. BOTH ACFT RECEIVE A TCASII RA, HOWEVER, EFFORTS BY THE CTLR TO MAINTAIN LEGAL SEPARATION OCCURRED TOO LATE.
Narrative: RADIO CONTACT WITH ZNY 118.97 WAS VERY WEAK, ALMOST UNREADABLE. SEVERAL OTHER ACFT COMPLAINED. WHILE CLBING OUT OF 15000 FT, TA SHOWED ON TCASII VISUAL AND VERBAL 'TFC.' IMC AT THE TIME. COULD HEAR CONFLICTING TFC TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO ATC ABOUT TFC. TA THEN TURNS TO RA. AUTOPLT WAS DISCONNECTED, PWR REDUCED, AND DSCNT IMMEDIATELY INITIATED TO FOLLOW TCASII INSTRUCTIONS FROM VSI. THE TFC WAS THEN SEEN BELOW US AT 600 FT BELOW AND CONTINUED TO DSND. ADVISED ATC OF THE INCIDENT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 409999: ATC CLRED US TO 17000 FT. WHILE CLBING THROUGH 15500 FT, ATC TOLD US TO DSND TO 14000 FT. WE NOTICED A TCASII TARGET AT 11 O'CLOCK POS, SAME ALT AND CLBING (B727). WE PITCHED OVER TO DSND AT 1500 FPM. AT THE SAME TIME, WE GOT AN RA TO CLB. THE TCASII TARGET WAS AT 12 O'CLOCK POS, 2 MI AND 500 FT ABOVE. AT THAT MOMENT, THE B727 DECLARED THEY HAD AN RA TO DSND. AT THE SAME TIME WE RECEIVED AN RA TO CLB. THE B727 BEGAN A DSCNT, ATC TOLD THEM NOT TO DSND. THEY CONTINUED DSCNT FOR A FEW MOMENTS AND PASSED +/-1 MI AND 500 FT ABOVE OUR ALT. I BANKED L AND THE B727 PASSED OFF OUR R SIDE. DUE TO THE RAPID DSCNT RATE AND IDLE PWR, WE COULDN'T REACT TO THE CLB RA UNTIL WE WERE BELOW THE TFC. WE RECEIVED A CLR OF CONFLICT UPON LEVELING AT 14000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.