Flight crew of a B757 were assigned the other parallel runway and were held too high, and close in, ...

Attributes
ACN	409950
Time
Date	199807
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : msp
State Reference	MN
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : msp
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	409950
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On approach we were originally assigned runway 30R arriving from the east. Approach control then advised us that we would be using runway 30L. Approach vectored us across approach path to runway 30R at 5000 ft/heading approximately 230 degrees/10 mi out. PNF asked for lower and controller advised us we had to wait (until crossing runway 30R approach path). He then assigned us 4000 ft. PNF advised controller that we were too close (too high) for an approach. Controller then gave us a turn toward the runway (heading 300 degrees). PNF asked for a left 360 degree to descend and align with runway. Controller advised that he was unable and gave us a descent to 3000 ft. Both pilots turned off the flight directors since we were too high to capture the GS and were on a visual approach. While in the turn to 300 degrees the controller gave us a left turn to 120 degrees. We remained configured with gear and flaps down anticipating a left turn back to the runway. PF was flying the aircraft manually and turned slightly past 120 degree heading. Controller gave us a climb to 4000 ft. PF corrected back to 120 degrees and began climb to 4000 ft and called for gear up and flaps to 15 degrees. Controller assigned heading 180 degrees, then heading back to 120 degrees and vectored us for another approach. Approach controller did not advise us of his intentions for vectoring us to final (turn to downwind or straight-in to the runway). We were vectored toward the runway even though we said that we were too high for the approach. There was considerable confusion as to the sequence of the aircraft for runway 30L.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC OF A B757 WERE ASSIGNED THE OTHER PARALLEL RWY AND WERE HELD TOO HIGH, AND CLOSE IN, BY CTLR FOR A NORMAL APCH AND LNDG RESULTING IN THE CTLR VECTORING THEM AROUND FOR ANOTHER APCH.

Narrative: ON APCH WE WERE ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED RWY 30R ARRIVING FROM THE E. APCH CTL THEN ADVISED US THAT WE WOULD BE USING RWY 30L. APCH VECTORED US ACROSS APCH PATH TO RWY 30R AT 5000 FT/HEADING APPROX 230 DEGS/10 MI OUT. PNF ASKED FOR LOWER AND CTLR ADVISED US WE HAD TO WAIT (UNTIL XING RWY 30R APCH PATH). HE THEN ASSIGNED US 4000 FT. PNF ADVISED CTLR THAT WE WERE TOO CLOSE (TOO HIGH) FOR AN APCH. CTLR THEN GAVE US A TURN TOWARD THE RWY (HDG 300 DEGS). PNF ASKED FOR A L 360 DEG TO DSND AND ALIGN WITH RWY. CTLR ADVISED THAT HE WAS UNABLE AND GAVE US A DSCNT TO 3000 FT. BOTH PLTS TURNED OFF THE FLT DIRECTORS SINCE WE WERE TOO HIGH TO CAPTURE THE GS AND WERE ON A VISUAL APCH. WHILE IN THE TURN TO 300 DEGS THE CTLR GAVE US A L TURN TO 120 DEGS. WE REMAINED CONFIGURED WITH GEAR AND FLAPS DOWN ANTICIPATING A L TURN BACK TO THE RWY. PF WAS FLYING THE ACFT MANUALLY AND TURNED SLIGHTLY PAST 120 DEG HDG. CTLR GAVE US A CLB TO 4000 FT. PF CORRECTED BACK TO 120 DEGS AND BEGAN CLB TO 4000 FT AND CALLED FOR GEAR UP AND FLAPS TO 15 DEGS. CTLR ASSIGNED HDG 180 DEGS, THEN HDG BACK TO 120 DEGS AND VECTORED US FOR ANOTHER APCH. APCH CTLR DID NOT ADVISE US OF HIS INTENTIONS FOR VECTORING US TO FINAL (TURN TO DOWNWIND OR STRAIGHT-IN TO THE RWY). WE WERE VECTORED TOWARD THE RWY EVEN THOUGH WE SAID THAT WE WERE TOO HIGH FOR THE APCH. THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE CONFUSION AS TO THE SEQUENCE OF THE ACFT FOR RWY 30L.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Flight crew of a B757 were assigned the other parallel runway and were held too high, and close in, by controller for a normal approach and landing resulting in the controller vectoring them around for another approach.