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Attributes | |
ACN | 410977 |
Time | |
Date | 199808 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zoa |
State Reference | CA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : pacific |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 95 flight time total : 12550 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 410977 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
During my tenure with the B777 program, I was exposed to some interesting fans 'prototyping' and presentations while at the boeing company. I saw the large, mfd screen used for cpdlc. In line operation, our B777's have not, to date, used fans. Upon my return to B747-400, I was disappointed to see how complex the fans operation seemed to be. An indicator would be the thickness of our flight manual section devoted to fans. It takes many words and diagrams to describe fans operation, all funneled through the CDU's. The following is a brief list of fans/cpdlc positives and negatives: positive: 'cpdlc' simplifies or eliminates difficulties of HF radio communication for routine position reporting and ATC requests. Positive: allows for displayed or printed 'proofs' of clrncs. Negative: confusion can exist because of parallel communication methodology, ATC and commercial radio/company, both using same datalink system. Negative: ATC (oak oceanic) does not acknowledge routine position reports. (If commercial radio datalink is used for position reports, operator acknowledges immediately.) this leads to some insecurity regarding communication integrity when using cpdlc. Negative: concept complexity! Pertaining to present fans. I am a line check airman. I demonstrate and check proficiency of this aspect of navigation/communication to new and existing airmen. This is a very complicated system when presented to airmen who are new to airplane/glass cockpit/international operation, or all the above. For instance: a) CDU screen presentations are not intuitive. B) CDU multi-page message may exist but can be missed. C) use is limited to certain routes...does not correspond to oak oceanic airspace boundaries.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B747-400 CAPT WRITES A LIST OF POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE ATTRIBUTES OF FANS.
Narrative: DURING MY TENURE WITH THE B777 PROGRAM, I WAS EXPOSED TO SOME INTERESTING FANS 'PROTOTYPING' AND PRESENTATIONS WHILE AT THE BOEING COMPANY. I SAW THE LARGE, MFD SCREEN USED FOR CPDLC. IN LINE OP, OUR B777'S HAVE NOT, TO DATE, USED FANS. UPON MY RETURN TO B747-400, I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO SEE HOW COMPLEX THE FANS OP SEEMED TO BE. AN INDICATOR WOULD BE THE THICKNESS OF OUR FLT MANUAL SECTION DEVOTED TO FANS. IT TAKES MANY WORDS AND DIAGRAMS TO DESCRIBE FANS OP, ALL FUNNELED THROUGH THE CDU'S. THE FOLLOWING IS A BRIEF LIST OF FANS/CPDLC POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES: POSITIVE: 'CPDLC' SIMPLIFIES OR ELIMINATES DIFFICULTIES OF HF RADIO COM FOR ROUTINE POS RPTING AND ATC REQUESTS. POSITIVE: ALLOWS FOR DISPLAYED OR PRINTED 'PROOFS' OF CLRNCS. NEGATIVE: CONFUSION CAN EXIST BECAUSE OF PARALLEL COM METHODOLOGY, ATC AND COMMERCIAL RADIO/COMPANY, BOTH USING SAME DATALINK SYS. NEGATIVE: ATC (OAK OCEANIC) DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ROUTINE POS RPTS. (IF COMMERCIAL RADIO DATALINK IS USED FOR POS RPTS, OPERATOR ACKNOWLEDGES IMMEDIATELY.) THIS LEADS TO SOME INSECURITY REGARDING COM INTEGRITY WHEN USING CPDLC. NEGATIVE: CONCEPT COMPLEXITY! PERTAINING TO PRESENT FANS. I AM A LINE CHK AIRMAN. I DEMONSTRATE AND CHK PROFICIENCY OF THIS ASPECT OF NAV/COM TO NEW AND EXISTING AIRMEN. THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED SYS WHEN PRESENTED TO AIRMEN WHO ARE NEW TO AIRPLANE/GLASS COCKPIT/INTL OP, OR ALL THE ABOVE. FOR INSTANCE: A) CDU SCREEN PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT INTUITIVE. B) CDU MULTI-PAGE MESSAGE MAY EXIST BUT CAN BE MISSED. C) USE IS LIMITED TO CERTAIN ROUTES...DOES NOT CORRESPOND TO OAK OCEANIC AIRSPACE BOUNDARIES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.