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Attributes | |
ACN | 413180 |
Time | |
Date | 199809 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : las |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zla |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Starship Model 2000 |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 3300 |
ASRS Report | 413180 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 750 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were level at 16000 ft MSL, deviating around buildups. All of a sudden we saw a twin (beech starship) pass right to left in front of us -- close -- and he appeared to be co- altitude. We immediately looked at the TCASII display, and it indicated 14000 ft, 2000 ft below us! That's not what it looked like. We asked center to verbally confirm with the other pilot that he was at 14000 ft, which he did. We then looked at our own altimeters, etc, and could not determine any reason for the discrepancy. Both of us are convinced we were very close to being co-altitude. We could see the type and color of the other aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ACFT APCHS OTHER TFC DEVIATING WX IN LAS ZLA AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE LEVEL AT 16000 FT MSL, DEVIATING AROUND BUILDUPS. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE SAW A TWIN (BEECH STARSHIP) PASS R TO L IN FRONT OF US -- CLOSE -- AND HE APPEARED TO BE CO- ALT. WE IMMEDIATELY LOOKED AT THE TCASII DISPLAY, AND IT INDICATED 14000 FT, 2000 FT BELOW US! THAT'S NOT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. WE ASKED CTR TO VERBALLY CONFIRM WITH THE OTHER PLT THAT HE WAS AT 14000 FT, WHICH HE DID. WE THEN LOOKED AT OUR OWN ALTIMETERS, ETC, AND COULD NOT DETERMINE ANY REASON FOR THE DISCREPANCY. BOTH OF US ARE CONVINCED WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO BEING CO-ALT. WE COULD SEE THE TYPE AND COLOR OF THE OTHER ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.