37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 414490 |
Time | |
Date | 199809 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ddc |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2600 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 180 Skywagon |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff descent : approach landing other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 414490 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During an approach for landing at ddc, while broadcasting on unicom frequency, I was informed by another pilot at ddc that they use a standard left traffic pattern. He advised me of that fact about 4 times during my approach. That pilot and I were the only 2 aircraft in the pattern. The wind was favoring runway 14 at about 12 KTS. The other aircraft was using runway 20. We were in constant radio contact and had each other visually. Since I was approaching from the northwest, I elected to do a modified right base -- that almost worked out as a straight-in approach to runway 14. I didn't feel that going around the airport and doing a left downwind for runway 14 was a smart idea with another aircraft doing a left downwind for runway 20. The aircraft on runway 20 took off and was actually departing the pattern as I touched down on runway 14. Landing on runway 14 into the wind with a C180, I never even got close to runway 20. On sep/xa/98 I went to depart dodge city. I met and talked to the pilot of the other aircraft. I found out why he was so adamant about telling me that the traffic pattern was a left pattern. He had an FAA check airman with him who apparently thought I should enter left traffic for runway 14. I'm aware of far 91.126 and advisory circular 90- 66A and still feel that I made the correct and safe decision on runway 14 and pattern selection.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF A C180 MADE A R TURN IN TO RWY FOR LNDG AT A NON TWR ARPT INSTEAD OF L TURNS AND ENTERING THE TFC PATTERN PRIOR BASE LEG EVEN THOUGH HE WAS INFORMED BY ANOTHER ACFT PLT SEVERAL TIMES DURING HIS APCH. HE LEARNED LATER THAT THERE WAS AN FAA CHK AIRMAN ABOARD THE ACFT.
Narrative: DURING AN APCH FOR LNDG AT DDC, WHILE BROADCASTING ON UNICOM FREQ, I WAS INFORMED BY ANOTHER PLT AT DDC THAT THEY USE A STANDARD L TFC PATTERN. HE ADVISED ME OF THAT FACT ABOUT 4 TIMES DURING MY APCH. THAT PLT AND I WERE THE ONLY 2 ACFT IN THE PATTERN. THE WIND WAS FAVORING RWY 14 AT ABOUT 12 KTS. THE OTHER ACFT WAS USING RWY 20. WE WERE IN CONSTANT RADIO CONTACT AND HAD EACH OTHER VISUALLY. SINCE I WAS APCHING FROM THE NW, I ELECTED TO DO A MODIFIED R BASE -- THAT ALMOST WORKED OUT AS A STRAIGHT-IN APCH TO RWY 14. I DIDN'T FEEL THAT GOING AROUND THE ARPT AND DOING A L DOWNWIND FOR RWY 14 WAS A SMART IDEA WITH ANOTHER ACFT DOING A L DOWNWIND FOR RWY 20. THE ACFT ON RWY 20 TOOK OFF AND WAS ACTUALLY DEPARTING THE PATTERN AS I TOUCHED DOWN ON RWY 14. LNDG ON RWY 14 INTO THE WIND WITH A C180, I NEVER EVEN GOT CLOSE TO RWY 20. ON SEP/XA/98 I WENT TO DEPART DODGE CITY. I MET AND TALKED TO THE PLT OF THE OTHER ACFT. I FOUND OUT WHY HE WAS SO ADAMANT ABOUT TELLING ME THAT THE TFC PATTERN WAS A L PATTERN. HE HAD AN FAA CHK AIRMAN WITH HIM WHO APPARENTLY THOUGHT I SHOULD ENTER L TFC FOR RWY 14. I'M AWARE OF FAR 91.126 AND ADVISORY CIRCULAR 90- 66A AND STILL FEEL THAT I MADE THE CORRECT AND SAFE DECISION ON RWY 14 AND PATTERN SELECTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.