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Captain of a cpr citation III C650 was cleared for takeoff shortly after a C210 on the same runway. Reporter did not believe that there was sufficient separation between the aircraft as the tower provided a TA of the C210 and then turned the reporter and advised him to maintain visual separation with the C210.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 416144 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199810 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : jtp airport : stp |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : stp |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Citation III, VI, VII |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 416144 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I departed shortly behind C210. Tower instructed a left turn to 100 degrees after departure and clearance altitude was 2500 ft. IFR departure procedure for runway 14 is a runway heading to 2500 ft before turning on course for our eastbound departure. After departing, tower advised of cessna traffic at 1 O'clock position and 1 mi and asked if I had a visual with traffic and told me to start my left turn. Conditions were IMC and I began my turn upon reaching 2500 ft. We never received a TCASII alert, but I assume we penetrated the minimum lateral separation with the C210 that was also at 2500 ft. I feel that the tower controller should not have released us so soon behind the C210.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A CPR CITATION III C650 WAS CLRED FOR TKOF SHORTLY AFTER A C210 ON THE SAME RWY. RPTR DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT SEPARATION BTWN THE ACFT AS THE TWR PROVIDED A TA OF THE C210 AND THEN TURNED THE RPTR AND ADVISED HIM TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION WITH THE C210.
Narrative: I DEPARTED SHORTLY BEHIND C210. TWR INSTRUCTED A L TURN TO 100 DEGS AFTER DEP AND CLRNC ALT WAS 2500 FT. IFR DEP PROC FOR RWY 14 IS A RWY HDG TO 2500 FT BEFORE TURNING ON COURSE FOR OUR EBOUND DEP. AFTER DEPARTING, TWR ADVISED OF CESSNA TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS AND 1 MI AND ASKED IF I HAD A VISUAL WITH TFC AND TOLD ME TO START MY L TURN. CONDITIONS WERE IMC AND I BEGAN MY TURN UPON REACHING 2500 FT. WE NEVER RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT, BUT I ASSUME WE PENETRATED THE MINIMUM LATERAL SEPARATION WITH THE C210 THAT WAS ALSO AT 2500 FT. I FEEL THAT THE TWR CTLR SHOULD NOT HAVE RELEASED US SO SOON BEHIND THE C210.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.