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Attributes | |
ACN | 419017 |
Time | |
Date | 199810 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ord airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 100 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 419017 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While on final approach to ord, the aircraft was struck by lightning. Subsequent maintenance inspection found no damage. On the same approach, I refused a lahso clearance on runway 14R due to a wet runway and thunderstorms in the area. Initially, the tower controller's attitude was very antagonistic, as if a blasphemy had been uttered. He then asked us to s-turn at about 500 ft and told us to expect landing clearance over the numbers. At about 100 ft, we were told to go around. In general, I am seeing more and more incidents where controllers are attempting to push capts into decisions that would shrink the margin of safety in a given situation. I understand the controller's desire to 'move airplanes' and the pilot's desire to exhibit a 'can do' attitude, but I believe this trend to be unhealthy.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80. BECAUSE OF WX, HAD ALREADY HAD LIGHTNING STRIKE, CREW REFUSED A LAHSO TO RWY 14R AT ORD.
Narrative: WHILE ON FINAL APCH TO ORD, THE ACFT WAS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING. SUBSEQUENT MAINT INSPECTION FOUND NO DAMAGE. ON THE SAME APCH, I REFUSED A LAHSO CLRNC ON RWY 14R DUE TO A WET RWY AND TSTMS IN THE AREA. INITIALLY, THE TWR CTLR'S ATTITUDE WAS VERY ANTAGONISTIC, AS IF A BLASPHEMY HAD BEEN UTTERED. HE THEN ASKED US TO S-TURN AT ABOUT 500 FT AND TOLD US TO EXPECT LNDG CLRNC OVER THE NUMBERS. AT ABOUT 100 FT, WE WERE TOLD TO GO AROUND. IN GENERAL, I AM SEEING MORE AND MORE INCIDENTS WHERE CTLRS ARE ATTEMPTING TO PUSH CAPTS INTO DECISIONS THAT WOULD SHRINK THE MARGIN OF SAFETY IN A GIVEN SIT. I UNDERSTAND THE CTLR'S DESIRE TO 'MOVE AIRPLANES' AND THE PLT'S DESIRE TO EXHIBIT A 'CAN DO' ATTITUDE, BUT I BELIEVE THIS TREND TO BE UNHEALTHY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.