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Attributes | |
ACN | 420212 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bfi airport : bfi |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 12900 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 420212 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We pushed and taxied for a runway 13R departure. As we taxied, the WX was dropping. When we arrived at the departure end of runway 13R, the visibility had dropped to 1/4 mi RVR runway 13R 1200 ft. While we were holding short, tower asked what we needed to depart. I responded 1600 ft RVR. We had a deadheading crew on board, the deadheading captain was in the cockpit jump seat, he pulled out the operations specifications and stated that we could depart with the current WX. I disagreed and stated that without (centerline) we required 1600 ft RVR. At first, the PIC agreed with me, until the deadheading captain spoke up. The PIC told me to tell tower that we could depart with 1200 ft RVR. I disagreed, but we departed anyway. The takeoff and the trip were uneventful. At the completion of the flight, we reviewed the operations specifications and conferred with the other pilots and came to the conclusion that I was correct. Centerline lighting is required to depart with an RVR of 1200 ft. Also that deadheading captain should be seen and not heard if they are going to provide wrong information. I do not believe that my captain would have departed if the jump seater would not have opened his mouth.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CREW DEPARTS BFI BELOW MINIMUMS AFTER JUMP SEAT CREW MEMBER CONVINCES CAPT THAT VISIBILITY IS LEGAL.
Narrative: WE PUSHED AND TAXIED FOR A RWY 13R DEP. AS WE TAXIED, THE WX WAS DROPPING. WHEN WE ARRIVED AT THE DEP END OF RWY 13R, THE VISIBILITY HAD DROPPED TO 1/4 MI RVR RWY 13R 1200 FT. WHILE WE WERE HOLDING SHORT, TWR ASKED WHAT WE NEEDED TO DEPART. I RESPONDED 1600 FT RVR. WE HAD A DEADHEADING CREW ON BOARD, THE DEADHEADING CAPT WAS IN THE COCKPIT JUMP SEAT, HE PULLED OUT THE OPS SPECS AND STATED THAT WE COULD DEPART WITH THE CURRENT WX. I DISAGREED AND STATED THAT WITHOUT (CTRLINE) WE REQUIRED 1600 FT RVR. AT FIRST, THE PIC AGREED WITH ME, UNTIL THE DEADHEADING CAPT SPOKE UP. THE PIC TOLD ME TO TELL TWR THAT WE COULD DEPART WITH 1200 FT RVR. I DISAGREED, BUT WE DEPARTED ANYWAY. THE TKOF AND THE TRIP WERE UNEVENTFUL. AT THE COMPLETION OF THE FLT, WE REVIEWED THE OPS SPECS AND CONFERRED WITH THE OTHER PLTS AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I WAS CORRECT. CTRLINE LIGHTING IS REQUIRED TO DEPART WITH AN RVR OF 1200 FT. ALSO THAT DEADHEADING CAPT SHOULD BE SEEN AND NOT HEARD IF THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE WRONG INFO. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MY CAPT WOULD HAVE DEPARTED IF THE JUMP SEATER WOULD NOT HAVE OPENED HIS MOUTH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.