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Attributes | |
ACN | 420938 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fty |
State Reference | GA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 420938 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Returning to fty from teb, the STAR is the awson 1. Our initial vector was for 270 degrees, but before we could get there it was changed to 220 degrees. The radio frequency was very busy and you could tell the controller really had his hands full with the amount of traffic today. We were given several altitude changes down to 5000 ft and a heading change to 180 degrees (we were not on the 220 degree heading very long). The 180 degree heading this far east of the airport was very unusual. Remembering the staggered layers of the class B, I asked the PNF 'aren't we back in the TCA this far south?' he flipped to the chart and said 'yes, looks like the base is at 5000 ft.' I replied since we are back in it I'm going to speed back up and give us some spacing on the traffic (TCASII display busy around and behind us) so he can turn us toward the airport. After a period of time (radio still busy), controller tells aircraft X, turn right 270 degrees. More radio talk, different aircraft, more emphatic call from controller for aircraft X to turn right 270 degrees. We inquired if that was for challenger. He responded very strong in the affirmative, 'immediate right turn 270 degrees.' he followed with an immediate query of our airspeed. We responded 250 KTS. He responded that we were below class B and that the speed was 200 KTS. I immediately slowed to 200 KTS and asked the PNF to let me see the TCA chart. Upon review, I saw that the base is either 8000 ft or 6000 ft, depending on just how far south we were, not 5000 ft. I quizzed the copilot and he said he just misread it. Earlier in the flight when trying to reach a manual that slid to the rear on takeoff, he had bumped his glasses on a bulkhead and the lens had popped out. In the ensuing 1 1/2 hours flying and busy terminal area I failed to consider or remember the missing lens. Other contributing factors: both FMS and EFIS displays had STAR and ILS displayed and no class B information. STAR chart has no class B information and class B chart no STAR information. Atlanta area chart discontinued and the commercial chart doesn't show satellite airport STAR rtes or detailed class B information. Being too comfortable in our home area, assuming too much and not checking and knowing more in advance, being in too big of a hurry, allowing passenger schedule to push crew to hurry.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A CPR MDT EXCEEDED MAX SPD WHEN OPERATING UNDERNEATH CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: RETURNING TO FTY FROM TEB, THE STAR IS THE AWSON 1. OUR INITIAL VECTOR WAS FOR 270 DEGS, BUT BEFORE WE COULD GET THERE IT WAS CHANGED TO 220 DEGS. THE RADIO FREQ WAS VERY BUSY AND YOU COULD TELL THE CTLR REALLY HAD HIS HANDS FULL WITH THE AMOUNT OF TFC TODAY. WE WERE GIVEN SEVERAL ALT CHANGES DOWN TO 5000 FT AND A HDG CHANGE TO 180 DEGS (WE WERE NOT ON THE 220 DEG HDG VERY LONG). THE 180 DEG HDG THIS FAR E OF THE ARPT WAS VERY UNUSUAL. REMEMBERING THE STAGGERED LAYERS OF THE CLASS B, I ASKED THE PNF 'AREN'T WE BACK IN THE TCA THIS FAR S?' HE FLIPPED TO THE CHART AND SAID 'YES, LOOKS LIKE THE BASE IS AT 5000 FT.' I REPLIED SINCE WE ARE BACK IN IT I'M GOING TO SPD BACK UP AND GIVE US SOME SPACING ON THE TFC (TCASII DISPLAY BUSY AROUND AND BEHIND US) SO HE CAN TURN US TOWARD THE ARPT. AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME (RADIO STILL BUSY), CTLR TELLS ACFT X, TURN R 270 DEGS. MORE RADIO TALK, DIFFERENT ACFT, MORE EMPHATIC CALL FROM CTLR FOR ACFT X TO TURN R 270 DEGS. WE INQUIRED IF THAT WAS FOR CHALLENGER. HE RESPONDED VERY STRONG IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, 'IMMEDIATE R TURN 270 DEGS.' HE FOLLOWED WITH AN IMMEDIATE QUERY OF OUR AIRSPD. WE RESPONDED 250 KTS. HE RESPONDED THAT WE WERE BELOW CLASS B AND THAT THE SPD WAS 200 KTS. I IMMEDIATELY SLOWED TO 200 KTS AND ASKED THE PNF TO LET ME SEE THE TCA CHART. UPON REVIEW, I SAW THAT THE BASE IS EITHER 8000 FT OR 6000 FT, DEPENDING ON JUST HOW FAR S WE WERE, NOT 5000 FT. I QUIZZED THE COPLT AND HE SAID HE JUST MISREAD IT. EARLIER IN THE FLT WHEN TRYING TO REACH A MANUAL THAT SLID TO THE REAR ON TKOF, HE HAD BUMPED HIS GLASSES ON A BULKHEAD AND THE LENS HAD POPPED OUT. IN THE ENSUING 1 1/2 HRS FLYING AND BUSY TERMINAL AREA I FAILED TO CONSIDER OR REMEMBER THE MISSING LENS. OTHER CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: BOTH FMS AND EFIS DISPLAYS HAD STAR AND ILS DISPLAYED AND NO CLASS B INFO. STAR CHART HAS NO CLASS B INFO AND CLASS B CHART NO STAR INFO. ATLANTA AREA CHART DISCONTINUED AND THE COMMERCIAL CHART DOESN'T SHOW SATELLITE ARPT STAR RTES OR DETAILED CLASS B INFO. BEING TOO COMFORTABLE IN OUR HOME AREA, ASSUMING TOO MUCH AND NOT CHKING AND KNOWING MORE IN ADVANCE, BEING IN TOO BIG OF A HURRY, ALLOWING PAX SCHEDULE TO PUSH CREW TO HURRY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.