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Attributes | |
ACN | 421022 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mbs |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2100 msl bound upper : 2400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 3700 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 421022 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
During vectors to the ILS we were issued a descent to 2100 ft. I was the PF. The first officer read back 2100 ft and I acknowledged the readback in accordance with our operations manual by verbally responding and by pointing at the altitude selector. My first officer noticed a radio tower off our left wing and below us. I asked what the altitude of the tower was, and the controller responded by asking us to verify our altitude. I responded '2100 ft as assigned.' the controller responded that the MVA was 2400 ft at our location. We immediately climbed to 2400 ft. On the ground, I called the tower to make sure there was no problem and I was told that, no, the incident was not a problem. Adding to the situation was the fact that the controller working our flight appeared to be in training. The controller that answered our query about the radio tower was a different one and she had previously taken over control from the trainee on a few other occasions with different aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SF34 CREW WAS VECTORED BELOW MVA BY ATC.
Narrative: DURING VECTORS TO THE ILS WE WERE ISSUED A DSCNT TO 2100 FT. I WAS THE PF. THE FO READ BACK 2100 FT AND I ACKNOWLEDGED THE READBACK IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR OPS MANUAL BY VERBALLY RESPONDING AND BY POINTING AT THE ALT SELECTOR. MY FO NOTICED A RADIO TWR OFF OUR L WING AND BELOW US. I ASKED WHAT THE ALT OF THE TWR WAS, AND THE CTLR RESPONDED BY ASKING US TO VERIFY OUR ALT. I RESPONDED '2100 FT AS ASSIGNED.' THE CTLR RESPONDED THAT THE MVA WAS 2400 FT AT OUR LOCATION. WE IMMEDIATELY CLBED TO 2400 FT. ON THE GND, I CALLED THE TWR TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO PROB AND I WAS TOLD THAT, NO, THE INCIDENT WAS NOT A PROB. ADDING TO THE SIT WAS THE FACT THAT THE CTLR WORKING OUR FLT APPEARED TO BE IN TRAINING. THE CTLR THAT ANSWERED OUR QUERY ABOUT THE RADIO TWR WAS A DIFFERENT ONE AND SHE HAD PREVIOUSLY TAKEN OVER CTL FROM THE TRAINEE ON A FEW OTHER OCCASIONS WITH DIFFERENT ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.