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Reporter complained about both lax tower and TRACON issuing numerous changes to the flight crew as to what STAR, approach or runway to expect at lax. Reporter indicated that this happens quite a bit at both facilities.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 421249 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199811 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6400 flight time type : 750 |
| ASRS Report | 421249 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
ATC appears to be a little unorganized at lax. Not uncommon (as was again the case today) to get 5 or 6 STAR approach/runway changes in last 10 mins of flight coming into lax. This morning we were given 5 changes of STAR, approach and runway in less than 10 mins -- all requiring crew chart changes and new briefings. All while trying to fly the last assigned STAR given by ATC. These people need to get their act together. There are busy (busier than lax) airports that don't change the plan all the time. When they finally decided which runway they wanted us on, vector was provided to intercept. We could not yet see field, vector did not correct for the wind and we blew into extended centerline of adjacent runway before correcting on our own over to runway 7R.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR COMPLAINED ABOUT BOTH LAX TWR AND TRACON ISSUING NUMEROUS CHANGES TO THE FLC AS TO WHAT STAR, APCH OR RWY TO EXPECT AT LAX. RPTR INDICATED THAT THIS HAPPENS QUITE A BIT AT BOTH FACILITIES.
Narrative: ATC APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE UNORGANIZED AT LAX. NOT UNCOMMON (AS WAS AGAIN THE CASE TODAY) TO GET 5 OR 6 STAR APCH/RWY CHANGES IN LAST 10 MINS OF FLT COMING INTO LAX. THIS MORNING WE WERE GIVEN 5 CHANGES OF STAR, APCH AND RWY IN LESS THAN 10 MINS -- ALL REQUIRING CREW CHART CHANGES AND NEW BRIEFINGS. ALL WHILE TRYING TO FLY THE LAST ASSIGNED STAR GIVEN BY ATC. THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER. THERE ARE BUSY (BUSIER THAN LAX) ARPTS THAT DON'T CHANGE THE PLAN ALL THE TIME. WHEN THEY FINALLY DECIDED WHICH RWY THEY WANTED US ON, VECTOR WAS PROVIDED TO INTERCEPT. WE COULD NOT YET SEE FIELD, VECTOR DID NOT CORRECT FOR THE WIND AND WE BLEW INTO EXTENDED CTRLINE OF ADJACENT RWY BEFORE CORRECTING ON OUR OWN OVER TO RWY 7R.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.