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Attributes | |
ACN | 422404 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ric |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : tys |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zdc |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 422404 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 422900 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
En route to dca, cruising at FL330, given clearance to cross 80 NM south of ric at FL270 while 140 NM south of ric, delayed descent because of distance remaining. Subsequently forgot descent clearance until asked by controller what DME was from ric, which was 82 DME south. Clearly was crew error. Due to lack of technology in this aircraft, I usually start a discretionary descent immediate, but this was given so far out I elected to wait. That turned out to be a poor choice. Supplemental information from acn 422900: eventually forgot about descent till reminded by ATC. For my part fatigue was somewhat of a factor. Although day was short (approximately 6 hours to that point), the previous night in the hotel my sleep was interrupted when I awoke with a sore back in the middle of the night. I think focusing on the descent more closely and perhaps talking about it with the PF and verbalizing when the descent will be started would be a good idea.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MD SUPER 80 FAILED TO MAKE A XING ALT DUE TO FORGETTING ATC INSTRUCTIONS BECAUSE OF DELAYING THEIR DSCNT. ARTCC RADAR CTLR INTERVENED TO QUESTION THEIR DSCNT FROM THE XING FIX.
Narrative: ENRTE TO DCA, CRUISING AT FL330, GIVEN CLRNC TO CROSS 80 NM S OF RIC AT FL270 WHILE 140 NM S OF RIC, DELAYED DSCNT BECAUSE OF DISTANCE REMAINING. SUBSEQUENTLY FORGOT DSCNT CLRNC UNTIL ASKED BY CTLR WHAT DME WAS FROM RIC, WHICH WAS 82 DME S. CLRLY WAS CREW ERROR. DUE TO LACK OF TECHNOLOGY IN THIS ACFT, I USUALLY START A DISCRETIONARY DSCNT IMMEDIATE, BUT THIS WAS GIVEN SO FAR OUT I ELECTED TO WAIT. THAT TURNED OUT TO BE A POOR CHOICE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 422900: EVENTUALLY FORGOT ABOUT DSCNT TILL REMINDED BY ATC. FOR MY PART FATIGUE WAS SOMEWHAT OF A FACTOR. ALTHOUGH DAY WAS SHORT (APPROX 6 HRS TO THAT POINT), THE PREVIOUS NIGHT IN THE HOTEL MY SLEEP WAS INTERRUPTED WHEN I AWOKE WITH A SORE BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I THINK FOCUSING ON THE DSCNT MORE CLOSELY AND PERHAPS TALKING ABOUT IT WITH THE PF AND VERBALIZING WHEN THE DSCNT WILL BE STARTED WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.