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Attributes | |
ACN | 422720 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rmg |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 3800 |
ASRS Report | 422720 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 6200 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 422301 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were given a clearance to cross 10 NM west of tiroe at 250 KTS and 12000 ft. We entered the information in the FMS and 12000 ft in the altitude window. The aircraft began the descent in plenty of time to make the restr, but it soon thereafter became apparent that we would be slightly high and fast at tiroe. We notified ATC of the situation at the same time the controller noticed it would be close. We never came close to other traffic and the controller was following our descent. It becomes even more obvious after watching automation fail on our FMS to back up everything with raw data, and realize the MD88 can be difficult to descend and slow. Supplemental information from acn 422301: used FMS for descent and was all set, briefed the approach. After brief, noticed we be high and fast. Actually crossed at 12000 ft and 300 KTS, approximately.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD88 CREW DID NOT COMPLY WITH THEIR SPD RESTR AT AN INTXN.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO CROSS 10 NM W OF TIROE AT 250 KTS AND 12000 FT. WE ENTERED THE INFO IN THE FMS AND 12000 FT IN THE ALT WINDOW. THE ACFT BEGAN THE DSCNT IN PLENTY OF TIME TO MAKE THE RESTR, BUT IT SOON THEREAFTER BECAME APPARENT THAT WE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGH AND FAST AT TIROE. WE NOTIFIED ATC OF THE SIT AT THE SAME TIME THE CTLR NOTICED IT WOULD BE CLOSE. WE NEVER CAME CLOSE TO OTHER TFC AND THE CTLR WAS FOLLOWING OUR DSCNT. IT BECOMES EVEN MORE OBVIOUS AFTER WATCHING AUTOMATION FAIL ON OUR FMS TO BACK UP EVERYTHING WITH RAW DATA, AND REALIZE THE MD88 CAN BE DIFFICULT TO DSND AND SLOW. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 422301: USED FMS FOR DSCNT AND WAS ALL SET, BRIEFED THE APCH. AFTER BRIEF, NOTICED WE BE HIGH AND FAST. ACTUALLY CROSSED AT 12000 FT AND 300 KTS, APPROX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.