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A widebody transport PIC report on crossing the established hold line for runway 4 at lga. Reporter complains of having information only on ATIS and not having a direct communication with tower specifying the ground holding position.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 423434 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199812 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 4200 |
| ASRS Report | 423434 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Taxi out for takeoff runway 4 at lga. Runway 4 used for arrs as well. After we were asked if we were told to hold short of the ILS hold line for runway 4 (we held short of runway 4 at the B4 hold line), I noticed on the ATIS received on the ACARS that when takeoffs and lndgs are in progress on runway 4, aircraft are to use the ILS hold line. We were distraction in the cockpit by a cycling status message we were receiving, and forgot about holding at the ILS hold line and used the B4 hold line instead. Perhaps it would be better to issue hold short of active runway instructions by direct radio contact than trust those type of instructions to ATIS or NOTAM instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A WDB PIC RPT ON XING THE ESTABLISHED HOLD LINE FOR RWY 4 AT LGA. RPTR COMPLAINS OF HAVING INFO ONLY ON ATIS AND NOT HAVING A DIRECT COM WITH TWR SPECIFYING THE GND HOLDING POS.
Narrative: TAXI OUT FOR TKOF RWY 4 AT LGA. RWY 4 USED FOR ARRS AS WELL. AFTER WE WERE ASKED IF WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS HOLD LINE FOR RWY 4 (WE HELD SHORT OF RWY 4 AT THE B4 HOLD LINE), I NOTICED ON THE ATIS RECEIVED ON THE ACARS THAT WHEN TKOFS AND LNDGS ARE IN PROGRESS ON RWY 4, ACFT ARE TO USE THE ILS HOLD LINE. WE WERE DISTR IN THE COCKPIT BY A CYCLING STATUS MESSAGE WE WERE RECEIVING, AND FORGOT ABOUT HOLDING AT THE ILS HOLD LINE AND USED THE B4 HOLD LINE INSTEAD. PERHAPS IT WOULD BE BETTER TO ISSUE HOLD SHORT OF ACTIVE RWY INSTRUCTIONS BY DIRECT RADIO CONTACT THAN TRUST THOSE TYPE OF INSTRUCTIONS TO ATIS OR NOTAM INSTRUCTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.