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Attributes | |
ACN | 423597 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2800 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ywt |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 423597 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
We were cleared for takeoff runway 36L right behind a DH8. No special instructions by tower. We flew the SID 2.5 DME and turned to 330 degree heading. We heard departure ask the DH8 if he was on 330 degree heading. The DH8 said, 'no, I was assigned runway heading.' departure hesitated and after a few seconds they gave us an immediate right turn to 030 degrees. We had just cleaned up, so I then turned immediately with an approximately 40-45 degree bank as the controller sounded urgent. We observed the DH8 just slightly to our and 200 ft. Our TCASII instructed a climb. I felt our climb rate 'was not good enough' and we were too close and heavy to go over the top. So I started to level off and slow my rate of climb, as I could tell we were too close. The turn to 030 degrees seemed to put us even closer. At that point, the controller was not talking and I descended to 2800 ft and leveled, giving us a 500 ft separation. ATC said, 'maintain your altitude' and then he gave us a turn on course and climb. I believe the tower failed to delete the SID and give us a turn to 330 degrees just at our takeoff point and failed to maintain separation. Departure was not sure of the DH8's heading and only seemed to aggravate the situation by giving us the turn to 030 degrees and not giving us the DH8 distance and position. If we had not had TCASII I feel the miss would have been much closer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC. FLC OF AN MLG WAS GIVEN AN IMMEDIATE TURN BY DEP CTL DURING SID DEP DUE TO CONFLICTION WITH OVERTAKING A DEHAVILLAND DASH 8 (DH8) WITHIN 3 MI OF THE ARPT. IN ADDITION, THE RPTR STOPPED CLB AND SLOWED IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA SINCE THE WT OF HIS ACFT WOULD NOT PERMIT THE CLB RATE INSTRUCTED BY TCASII.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF RWY 36L RIGHT BEHIND A DH8. NO SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS BY TWR. WE FLEW THE SID 2.5 DME AND TURNED TO 330 DEG HDG. WE HEARD DEP ASK THE DH8 IF HE WAS ON 330 DEG HDG. THE DH8 SAID, 'NO, I WAS ASSIGNED RWY HDG.' DEP HESITATED AND AFTER A FEW SECONDS THEY GAVE US AN IMMEDIATE R TURN TO 030 DEGS. WE HAD JUST CLEANED UP, SO I THEN TURNED IMMEDIATELY WITH AN APPROX 40-45 DEG BANK AS THE CTLR SOUNDED URGENT. WE OBSERVED THE DH8 JUST SLIGHTLY TO OUR AND 200 FT. OUR TCASII INSTRUCTED A CLB. I FELT OUR CLB RATE 'WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH' AND WE WERE TOO CLOSE AND HVY TO GO OVER THE TOP. SO I STARTED TO LEVEL OFF AND SLOW MY RATE OF CLB, AS I COULD TELL WE WERE TOO CLOSE. THE TURN TO 030 DEGS SEEMED TO PUT US EVEN CLOSER. AT THAT POINT, THE CTLR WAS NOT TALKING AND I DSNDED TO 2800 FT AND LEVELED, GIVING US A 500 FT SEPARATION. ATC SAID, 'MAINTAIN YOUR ALT' AND THEN HE GAVE US A TURN ON COURSE AND CLB. I BELIEVE THE TWR FAILED TO DELETE THE SID AND GIVE US A TURN TO 330 DEGS JUST AT OUR TKOF POINT AND FAILED TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION. DEP WAS NOT SURE OF THE DH8'S HDG AND ONLY SEEMED TO AGGRAVATE THE SIT BY GIVING US THE TURN TO 030 DEGS AND NOT GIVING US THE DH8 DISTANCE AND POS. IF WE HAD NOT HAD TCASII I FEEL THE MISS WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH CLOSER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.