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Flight crew flying noise abatement procedure may have not turned left soon enough. The timing of the turn was based on the captain's experience in flying this particular procedure many times. Approach intervened and gave then another left turn.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 424467 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199812 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dca |
| State Reference | DC |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 424467 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2400 |
| ASRS Report | 424330 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Special departure for runway 36 at dca discussed and briefed prior to engine start. First officer very experienced (EFIS) -- also his leg. After takeoff we went IMC as we started our first left turn 400-500 ft. I then got busy with first flap retraction, climb power contacting departure. After contact, I then selected a higher altitude. Without looking at the DME, I selected 310 degree heading because I had flown this departure so many times and knowing about the restr area I knew it was time. At the same time departure gave us a left heading. At no time did departure seem upset nor was anything said to us. This departure needs to be simplified to simply a left turn to intercept the dca 328 degree, maybe with a 15 degree bank angle to intercept the 328 degree to stay over the river for the first part of the departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC FLYING NOISE ABATEMENT PROC MAY HAVE NOT TURNED L SOON ENOUGH. THE TIMING OF THE TURN WAS BASED ON THE CAPT'S EXPERIENCE IN FLYING THIS PARTICULAR PROC MANY TIMES. APCH INTERVENED AND GAVE THEN ANOTHER L TURN.
Narrative: SPECIAL DEP FOR RWY 36 AT DCA DISCUSSED AND BRIEFED PRIOR TO ENG START. FO VERY EXPERIENCED (EFIS) -- ALSO HIS LEG. AFTER TKOF WE WENT IMC AS WE STARTED OUR FIRST L TURN 400-500 FT. I THEN GOT BUSY WITH FIRST FLAP RETRACTION, CLB PWR CONTACTING DEP. AFTER CONTACT, I THEN SELECTED A HIGHER ALT. WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE DME, I SELECTED 310 DEG HDG BECAUSE I HAD FLOWN THIS DEP SO MANY TIMES AND KNOWING ABOUT THE RESTR AREA I KNEW IT WAS TIME. AT THE SAME TIME DEP GAVE US A L HEADING. AT NO TIME DID DEP SEEM UPSET NOR WAS ANYTHING SAID TO US. THIS DEP NEEDS TO BE SIMPLIFIED TO SIMPLY A L TURN TO INTERCEPT THE DCA 328 DEG, MAYBE WITH A 15 DEG BANK ANGLE TO INTERCEPT THE 328 DEG TO STAY OVER THE RIVER FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE DEP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.