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Attributes | |
ACN | 425580 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : yvr |
State Reference | BC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 247 flight time total : 15700 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 425580 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approaching yvr, back course, VOR leveled at 8000 ft. The first officer noticed a target on the TCASII, climbing through 7300 ft and mentioned it to me. As the TCASII started issuing an RA, the controller gave us a turn to 170 degrees and added 'make it a quick rate' or words to that effect. He then said that we could start a descent while in the turn. At this point we were following the RA. When we were cleared of the traffic, we were issued vectors and altitudes and the approach and landing was normal. At some point the controller mentioned that a 'heavy' had decided to climb through his assigned altitude. To my knowledge, the other aircraft was on a different frequency, so I'm not familiar with his clearance, company or aircraft type. However, one thing that I've found to be disconcerting when departing yvr is that the initial SID altitude is 7000 ft followed by a climb to 'one seven thousand.' on more than one occasion, I've had to verify the altitude to ascertain whether the controller wanted me to still level at 7000 ft or to continue the climb to 17000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF CL65 RESPONDS TO TCASII RA ON ARR TO YVR.
Narrative: APCHING YVR, BC, VOR LEVELED AT 8000 FT. THE FO NOTICED A TARGET ON THE TCASII, CLBING THROUGH 7300 FT AND MENTIONED IT TO ME. AS THE TCASII STARTED ISSUING AN RA, THE CTLR GAVE US A TURN TO 170 DEGS AND ADDED 'MAKE IT A QUICK RATE' OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT. HE THEN SAID THAT WE COULD START A DSCNT WHILE IN THE TURN. AT THIS POINT WE WERE FOLLOWING THE RA. WHEN WE WERE CLRED OF THE TFC, WE WERE ISSUED VECTORS AND ALTS AND THE APCH AND LNDG WAS NORMAL. AT SOME POINT THE CTLR MENTIONED THAT A 'HVY' HAD DECIDED TO CLB THROUGH HIS ASSIGNED ALT. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE OTHER ACFT WAS ON A DIFFERENT FREQ, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIS CLRNC, COMPANY OR ACFT TYPE. HOWEVER, ONE THING THAT I'VE FOUND TO BE DISCONCERTING WHEN DEPARTING YVR IS THAT THE INITIAL SID ALT IS 7000 FT FOLLOWED BY A CLB TO 'ONE SEVEN THOUSAND.' ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, I'VE HAD TO VERIFY THE ALT TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER THE CTLR WANTED ME TO STILL LEVEL AT 7000 FT OR TO CONTINUE THE CLB TO 17000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.