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Attributes | |
ACN | 429049 |
Time | |
Date | 199902 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : mobar |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mkjk.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : holding |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival star : gonis 3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mkjk.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival star : gonis 3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 429049 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Problem: mbj approach apparently cleared an aircraft behind us through our altitude and for the approach, passing us by. With good VFR reported on mbj, the approach down to short final was obscured with moderate to heavy rain showers. Situation: descending into montego bay, mbj, via the gonis 3 arrival to mobar (if) intersection and expect approach clearance later. Mbj approach seemed continually behind and only allowing us to continue descent in small increments. Approach was very busy while we were on the 12 DME arc and turning into mobar. Repeated questioning by us did not update our XX04Z efc and gave us no approach clearance beyond mobar, our clearance limit. Upon crossing mobar we entered the depicted holding and called approach with required holding report. At some point in holding, approach updated efc time to XX08Z from previous XX04Z. The controller was talking so fast and continually that we were concerned that the aircraft following us on the arc would be a traffic conflict for us at our 4000 ft. After several turns in holding and proceeding outbound, with us being very defensive and alert, we visually spotted, then saw on TCASII, a jet (either air carrier X or air carrier Y) coming into mobar at 3000 ft. After reporting that fact, a new controller's voice came on the radio and eventually cleared us for the approach. Separation was always at least 1000 ft vertically. Heavy rain showers on the approach path until short final were a factor. We were concerned that another jet passed us by on the arrival without apparent knowledge by mbj approach. Following the above situation, we completed the non precision stepdown 'VOR DME runway 7' approach to a successful and uneventful landing. Again, no loss of legal separation was evident from our knowledge. Additional factor: hard to understand dialect and non english radio xmissions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN AIRBUS A320 WERE CONCERNED THAT A TRAILING B767 WOULD CAUSE A CONFLICTION DURING HOLDING SINCE APCH CTLR HAD NOT YET GIVEN THEM A CLRNC TO START THE APCH AND VACATE THE HOLDING INTXN.
Narrative: PROB: MBJ APCH APPARENTLY CLRED AN ACFT BEHIND US THROUGH OUR ALT AND FOR THE APCH, PASSING US BY. WITH GOOD VFR RPTED ON MBJ, THE APCH DOWN TO SHORT FINAL WAS OBSCURED WITH MODERATE TO HVY RAIN SHOWERS. SIT: DSNDING INTO MONTEGO BAY, MBJ, VIA THE GONIS 3 ARR TO MOBAR (IF) INTXN AND EXPECT APCH CLRNC LATER. MBJ APCH SEEMED CONTINUALLY BEHIND AND ONLY ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE DSCNT IN SMALL INCREMENTS. APCH WAS VERY BUSY WHILE WE WERE ON THE 12 DME ARC AND TURNING INTO MOBAR. REPEATED QUESTIONING BY US DID NOT UPDATE OUR XX04Z EFC AND GAVE US NO APCH CLRNC BEYOND MOBAR, OUR CLRNC LIMIT. UPON XING MOBAR WE ENTERED THE DEPICTED HOLDING AND CALLED APCH WITH REQUIRED HOLDING RPT. AT SOME POINT IN HOLDING, APCH UPDATED EFC TIME TO XX08Z FROM PREVIOUS XX04Z. THE CTLR WAS TALKING SO FAST AND CONTINUALLY THAT WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE ACFT FOLLOWING US ON THE ARC WOULD BE A TFC CONFLICT FOR US AT OUR 4000 FT. AFTER SEVERAL TURNS IN HOLDING AND PROCEEDING OUTBOUND, WITH US BEING VERY DEFENSIVE AND ALERT, WE VISUALLY SPOTTED, THEN SAW ON TCASII, A JET (EITHER ACR X OR ACR Y) COMING INTO MOBAR AT 3000 FT. AFTER RPTING THAT FACT, A NEW CTLR'S VOICE CAME ON THE RADIO AND EVENTUALLY CLRED US FOR THE APCH. SEPARATION WAS ALWAYS AT LEAST 1000 FT VERTLY. HVY RAIN SHOWERS ON THE APCH PATH UNTIL SHORT FINAL WERE A FACTOR. WE WERE CONCERNED THAT ANOTHER JET PASSED US BY ON THE ARR WITHOUT APPARENT KNOWLEDGE BY MBJ APCH. FOLLOWING THE ABOVE SIT, WE COMPLETED THE NON PRECISION STEPDOWN 'VOR DME RWY 7' APCH TO A SUCCESSFUL AND UNEVENTFUL LNDG. AGAIN, NO LOSS OF LEGAL SEPARATION WAS EVIDENT FROM OUR KNOWLEDGE. ADDITIONAL FACTOR: HARD TO UNDERSTAND DIALECT AND NON ENGLISH RADIO XMISSIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.