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First officer of a B727-200 failed to maintain the published approach procedure altitude until the FAF unless authority/authorized by ATC.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 429160 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199902 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : cri.vor |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 429160 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were established on the cri 223 degree radial outside of asalt (6 DME) when given the clearance 'cross canarsie at 1500 ft, cleared the VOR runway 13L approach.' no mention was made of the usual maintaining 3000 ft until established. First officer was flying and descended out of 3000 ft before asalt. The approach plate says asalt can be crossed at 2000 ft when authority/authorized by ATC. I don't recall what altitude we crossed asalt, but I believe it was above 2000 ft. I should have done 1 of 2 things -- either clarify with ATC if we were cleared out of 3000 ft before asalt or had the first officer wait until past asalt before leaving 3000 ft. Looking back, I think we should have stayed at 3000 ft till asalt, but the approach clearance threw me off.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO OF A B727-200 FAILED TO MAINTAIN THE PUBLISHED APCH PROC ALT UNTIL THE FAF UNLESS AUTH BY ATC.
Narrative: WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON THE CRI 223 DEG RADIAL OUTSIDE OF ASALT (6 DME) WHEN GIVEN THE CLRNC 'CROSS CANARSIE AT 1500 FT, CLRED THE VOR RWY 13L APCH.' NO MENTION WAS MADE OF THE USUAL MAINTAINING 3000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED. FO WAS FLYING AND DSNDED OUT OF 3000 FT BEFORE ASALT. THE APCH PLATE SAYS ASALT CAN BE CROSSED AT 2000 FT WHEN AUTH BY ATC. I DON'T RECALL WHAT ALT WE CROSSED ASALT, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOVE 2000 FT. I SHOULD HAVE DONE 1 OF 2 THINGS -- EITHER CLARIFY WITH ATC IF WE WERE CLRED OUT OF 3000 FT BEFORE ASALT OR HAD THE FO WAIT UNTIL PAST ASALT BEFORE LEAVING 3000 FT. LOOKING BACK, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE STAYED AT 3000 FT TILL ASALT, BUT THE APCH CLRNC THREW ME OFF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.