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Pilot of a north american navion, was asked by approach controller if he knew where a certain landmark was located during arrival under class B airspace. The reporter had not heard that reference made in his clearance. The controller obviously expected the reporter would be over that point rather than the airport given in his clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 432270 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199903 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : hwd.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Navion Aircraft Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 14 flight time total : 5562 flight time type : 1738 |
| ASRS Report | 432270 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
ATC (bay approach on 120.1) cleared us 'direct oak, cross moffett at or above 2500 ft.' next sector (121.3) cleared us 'straight in oak runway 27R.' third sector (135.1) cleared us to 'straight-in runway 27R via hwd, at or above 2000 ft.' I complied with instructions. When over hwd airport at 2000 ft, ATC asked, 'do you know where cal state hayward is?' I replied, 'negative.' he then said, 'next time you don't know where I'm sending you, ask.' cal state was not mentioned before this, though it is a charted reporting point on the san francisco class B airspace chart. Suggestion: when the frequency is congested, extra clarity is demanded. 'Hayward' could be a city, an airport, or a college. The difference is important.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF A NORTH AMERICAN NAVION, WAS ASKED BY APCH CTLR IF HE KNEW WHERE A CERTAIN LANDMARK WAS LOCATED DURING ARR UNDER CLASS B AIRSPACE. THE RPTR HAD NOT HEARD THAT REF MADE IN HIS CLRNC. THE CTLR OBVIOUSLY EXPECTED THE RPTR WOULD BE OVER THAT POINT RATHER THAN THE ARPT GIVEN IN HIS CLRNC.
Narrative: ATC (BAY APCH ON 120.1) CLRED US 'DIRECT OAK, CROSS MOFFETT AT OR ABOVE 2500 FT.' NEXT SECTOR (121.3) CLRED US 'STRAIGHT IN OAK RWY 27R.' THIRD SECTOR (135.1) CLRED US TO 'STRAIGHT-IN RWY 27R VIA HWD, AT OR ABOVE 2000 FT.' I COMPLIED WITH INSTRUCTIONS. WHEN OVER HWD ARPT AT 2000 FT, ATC ASKED, 'DO YOU KNOW WHERE CAL STATE HAYWARD IS?' I REPLIED, 'NEGATIVE.' HE THEN SAID, 'NEXT TIME YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M SENDING YOU, ASK.' CAL STATE WAS NOT MENTIONED BEFORE THIS, THOUGH IT IS A CHARTED RPTING POINT ON THE SAN FRANCISCO CLASS B AIRSPACE CHART. SUGGESTION: WHEN THE FREQ IS CONGESTED, EXTRA CLARITY IS DEMANDED. 'HAYWARD' COULD BE A CITY, AN ARPT, OR A COLLEGE. THE DIFFERENCE IS IMPORTANT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.