SF340 flight crew crossed ILS hold short line at lga.

Attributes
ACN	432438
Time
Date	199903
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : lga.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	SF 340B
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6100 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	432438
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airport Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Lga was down to one runway for departures and lndgs (runway 13/31 was closed). WX was 'severe clear,' cavu. First officer got the ATIS while I was off the aircraft. The ATIS said to use the ILS hold short line for runway 4, not the 'B4' line, which is usually used. I did not get this information from my first officer. I pulled up to the 'normal' hold short line, assuming since the WX was clear that the ILS hold line was not in use. My first officer then noticed our mistake, while lga tower asked us where we were holding short. We told him that we were over the ILS hold line but he assured us that there was 'no problem.' I was short of the runway, however. Causes: 1) poor CRM -- information communicated. 2) assume -- I assumed since the WX was good that the ILS hold line was not in use. Corrective action: 1) never assume anything! 2) work on a better exchange of information (CRM).

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SF340 FLC CROSSED ILS HOLD SHORT LINE AT LGA.

Narrative: LGA WAS DOWN TO ONE RWY FOR DEPS AND LNDGS (RWY 13/31 WAS CLOSED). WX WAS 'SEVERE CLR,' CAVU. FO GOT THE ATIS WHILE I WAS OFF THE ACFT. THE ATIS SAID TO USE THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 4, NOT THE 'B4' LINE, WHICH IS USUALLY USED. I DID NOT GET THIS INFO FROM MY FO. I PULLED UP TO THE 'NORMAL' HOLD SHORT LINE, ASSUMING SINCE THE WX WAS CLR THAT THE ILS HOLD LINE WAS NOT IN USE. MY FO THEN NOTICED OUR MISTAKE, WHILE LGA TWR ASKED US WHERE WE WERE HOLDING SHORT. WE TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE OVER THE ILS HOLD LINE BUT HE ASSURED US THAT THERE WAS 'NO PROB.' I WAS SHORT OF THE RWY, HOWEVER. CAUSES: 1) POOR CRM -- INFO COMMUNICATED. 2) ASSUME -- I ASSUMED SINCE THE WX WAS GOOD THAT THE ILS HOLD LINE WAS NOT IN USE. CORRECTIVE ACTION: 1) NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING! 2) WORK ON A BETTER EXCHANGE OF INFO (CRM).

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.