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Attributes | |
ACN | 433114 |
Time | |
Date | 199904 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gso.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute airway : ns.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 433114 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Controller directed us to descend from FL330 to FL290 for traffic. Being over 1 hour away from destination going from atl-bos, requested off course vector to avoid descent. Request was denied and we descended. We requested a return to FL330. Told it was on request. Changed frequency. Request had not been forwarded by previous controller. Requested and received clearance to return to FL330. One solution: controllers don't understand impact of 4000 ft altitude change for aircraft in cruise on fuel burn. They get locked into their conflict resolution idea and do not accommodate. We don't carry as much fuel anymore to do this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR GIVEN UNWANTED CLRNC TO DSND 4000 FT BELOW DESIRED CRUISE ALT.
Narrative: CTLR DIRECTED US TO DSND FROM FL330 TO FL290 FOR TFC. BEING OVER 1 HR AWAY FROM DEST GOING FROM ATL-BOS, REQUESTED OFF COURSE VECTOR TO AVOID DSCNT. REQUEST WAS DENIED AND WE DSNDED. WE REQUESTED A RETURN TO FL330. TOLD IT WAS ON REQUEST. CHANGED FREQ. REQUEST HAD NOT BEEN FORWARDED BY PREVIOUS CTLR. REQUESTED AND RECEIVED CLRNC TO RETURN TO FL330. ONE SOLUTION: CTLRS DON'T UNDERSTAND IMPACT OF 4000 FT ALT CHANGE FOR ACFT IN CRUISE ON FUEL BURN. THEY GET LOCKED INTO THEIR CONFLICT RESOLUTION IDEA AND DO NOT ACCOMMODATE. WE DON'T CARRY AS MUCH FUEL ANYMORE TO DO THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.