Lex controller notifies his supervisor of uncoordinated altitude descent of xferred H60 to cvg approach control while still in lex airspace. Reporter claims cvg commonly fails to practice proper LOA and ATC handbook procedures.

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Attributes
ACN	433123
Time
Date	199904
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
State Reference	KY
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : cvg.tracon tracon : lex.tracon
Operator	other
Make Model Name	S-70 Black Hawk/Night Hawk/Sea Hawk
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise : enroute altitude change cruise : level descent : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Qualification	controller : radar
Experience	controller time certified in position1 : 15
ASRS Report	433123
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Qualification	controller : radar
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : exit altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory
Consequence	faa : investigated
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Military X was handed off to cvg approach at 5000 ft, IFR. 4 mi south of the boundary, I saw military X mode C indicating 4600 ft. Watching the mode C drop further to 4500 ft produced a call from lex approach to cvg approach. I asked if military X was descending in my airspace. Cvg replied 'he's not supposed to be but it looks like he is. I'm going to 4000 ft with him, ok?' I replied it was all right to go to 4000 ft and terminated the call. The supervisor was notified. Cvg has no regard to altitude requirements of our LOA or the 7110.65 ATC handbook. This kind of incident is common and mostly ignored. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised the supervisor responded quickly and called his counterpart at cvg. The reporter was advised later in the work shift that the cvg controller was reprimanded for not coordinating with lex for the H60's altitude change within lex airspace. The controller perceives that cvg is lax in coordinating with lex for 'release for control' and there have been similar incidences in the past.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LEX CTLR NOTIFIES HIS SUPVR OF UNCOORDINATED ALT DSCNT OF XFERRED H60 TO CVG APCH CTL WHILE STILL IN LEX AIRSPACE. RPTR CLAIMS CVG COMMONLY FAILS TO PRACTICE PROPER LOA AND ATC HANDBOOK PROCS.

Narrative: MIL X WAS HANDED OFF TO CVG APCH AT 5000 FT, IFR. 4 MI S OF THE BOUNDARY, I SAW MIL X MODE C INDICATING 4600 FT. WATCHING THE MODE C DROP FURTHER TO 4500 FT PRODUCED A CALL FROM LEX APCH TO CVG APCH. I ASKED IF MIL X WAS DSNDING IN MY AIRSPACE. CVG REPLIED 'HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS. I'M GOING TO 4000 FT WITH HIM, OK?' I REPLIED IT WAS ALL RIGHT TO GO TO 4000 FT AND TERMINATED THE CALL. THE SUPVR WAS NOTIFIED. CVG HAS NO REGARD TO ALT REQUIREMENTS OF OUR LOA OR THE 7110.65 ATC HANDBOOK. THIS KIND OF INCIDENT IS COMMON AND MOSTLY IGNORED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THE SUPVR RESPONDED QUICKLY AND CALLED HIS COUNTERPART AT CVG. THE RPTR WAS ADVISED LATER IN THE WORK SHIFT THAT THE CVG CTLR WAS REPRIMANDED FOR NOT COORDINATING WITH LEX FOR THE H60'S ALT CHANGE WITHIN LEX AIRSPACE. THE CTLR PERCEIVES THAT CVG IS LAX IN COORDINATING WITH LEX FOR 'RELEASE FOR CTL' AND THERE HAVE BEEN SIMILAR INCIDENCES IN THE PAST.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.