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Captain of a fokker 100 held position rather than taxi into position and hold, and takeoff, after observing a B767 on final. Tower controller subsequently sent the B767 around.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 433454 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199904 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | landing : go around |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 433454 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
The tower controller cleared us into position and hold for takeoff when the aircraft ahead rotated. Looking left I saw a B767 on short final on runway 27L, tower then cleared us for an immediate takeoff, even though the aircraft ahead, an MD80 was only 10 seconds ahead and not even close to rotation. We were unable to roll that soon and the captain feared if we were to roll forward the B767 would either go around or hit us. Captain made the decision to stay in position and the first officer told tower unable for takeoff. Tower directed B767 to go around at about 300 ft, which we watched from a ring side seat. Potential disaster avoided. This is becoming too common a practice, pushing the limits of safety using minimal traffic separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A FOKKER 100 HELD POS RATHER THAN TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD, AND TKOF, AFTER OBSERVING A B767 ON FINAL. TWR CTLR SUBSEQUENTLY SENT THE B767 AROUND.
Narrative: THE TWR CTLR CLRED US INTO POS AND HOLD FOR TKOF WHEN THE ACFT AHEAD ROTATED. LOOKING L I SAW A B767 ON SHORT FINAL ON RWY 27L, TWR THEN CLRED US FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF, EVEN THOUGH THE ACFT AHEAD, AN MD80 WAS ONLY 10 SECONDS AHEAD AND NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ROTATION. WE WERE UNABLE TO ROLL THAT SOON AND THE CAPT FEARED IF WE WERE TO ROLL FORWARD THE B767 WOULD EITHER GAR OR HIT US. CAPT MADE THE DECISION TO STAY IN POS AND THE FO TOLD TWR UNABLE FOR TKOF. TWR DIRECTED B767 TO GAR AT ABOUT 300 FT, WHICH WE WATCHED FROM A RING SIDE SEAT. POTENTIAL DISASTER AVOIDED. THIS IS BECOMING TOO COMMON A PRACTICE, PUSHING THE LIMITS OF SAFETY USING MINIMAL TFC SEPARATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.