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An FK10 aircraft fails to clear the safe area when exiting runway 30R at msp for landing traffic. The FK10 had refused an immediate takeoff clearance that was not in accordance with the PIC's request for 2 mins from preceding departure DC10.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 434695 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199904 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll |
| Route In Use | departure : other published ifr departure |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 434695 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| ASRS Report | 434693 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Location: msp runway 30R. While #6 or #7 for takeoff, we informed tower we would need full 2 mins wake separation on DC10 ahead. ATC replied that would not be a problem. After DC10 departed, we were cleared into position on runway 30R, traffic 3 mi final. We asked if we would have 2 mins separation. ATC said yes. At 1 min, 30 seconds after DC10 started takeoff roll, we were cleared for immediate takeoff, we refused and were told to exit immediately. We taxied as far off the runway as possible, but were unable to clear safe area. Aircraft landed on runway behind us with no problems.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN FK10 ACFT FAILS TO CLR THE SAFE AREA WHEN EXITING RWY 30R AT MSP FOR LNDG TFC. THE FK10 HAD REFUSED AN IMMEDIATE TKOF CLRNC THAT WAS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PIC'S REQUEST FOR 2 MINS FROM PRECEDING DEP DC10.
Narrative: LOCATION: MSP RWY 30R. WHILE #6 OR #7 FOR TKOF, WE INFORMED TWR WE WOULD NEED FULL 2 MINS WAKE SEPARATION ON DC10 AHEAD. ATC REPLIED THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROB. AFTER DC10 DEPARTED, WE WERE CLRED INTO POS ON RWY 30R, TFC 3 MI FINAL. WE ASKED IF WE WOULD HAVE 2 MINS SEPARATION. ATC SAID YES. AT 1 MIN, 30 SECONDS AFTER DC10 STARTED TKOF ROLL, WE WERE CLRED FOR IMMEDIATE TKOF, WE REFUSED AND WERE TOLD TO EXIT IMMEDIATELY. WE TAXIED AS FAR OFF THE RWY AS POSSIBLE, BUT WERE UNABLE TO CLR SAFE AREA. ACFT LANDED ON RWY BEHIND US WITH NO PROBS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.