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Attributes | |
ACN | 437512 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : oma.airport |
State Reference | NE |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 41000 msl bound upper : 41600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 437512 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : regained aircraft control |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Cruise FL370, received WX report, svr WX warning, level 4 and level 6 thunderstorms. Captain told me to climb to FL390, then to FL410. He had checked buffet speeds for this weight and altitude. Captain then told ATC we wanted to block altitudes FL410 to FL430. I (PF) checked performance charts and told captain we were about 30000 pounds too heavy for FL430. He told me I was wrong and that in his 'experience' he would use a chart other than the maximum altitude/operating weight chart. He solely used buffet speed chart and interpolated numbers for FL430 and speed of 195 KTS. He then ordered me to climb FL430. I told him we were too heavy and explained my use of charts. He ordered me to FL430 in an attempt to top thunderstorms (FL500) and he pushed flch to put aircraft in climb. FMC stated maximum altitude FL414. Airplane climbed to FL416 and leveled off on autoplt. In climb I told captain he was putting us in jeopardy of stall and in a very dangerous situation. He said we are fine. As we approached the thunderstorm at FL410 it was clear we would not be able to top it and might even fly through it. I turned the airplane to parallel the WX system. The captain said we could top it, but we could not, we had maximum continuous power and could not climb anymore, airspeed slowed to approximately 205 KTS. In straight and level flight at FL416 gross weight of 268,200 pounds, stick shaker activated for about 1.5 seconds. I immediately turned off autoplt and started a fairly rapid descent to FL410 to gain airspeed. The captain first told me to climb to FL425, then to level at FL415. I continued to FL410 where I knew performance was acceptable. At FL410 airspeed gain to 230 KTS. Continued south until was able to circumnav storm. Captain refused to accept fact that he put us in a dangerous situation. He states the charts must be wrong. Captain's ignorance and arrogance in ordering me to climb to an overweight altitude put us in a dangerous situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 CREW HAD A STICK SHAKER WHEN THE CAPT DIRECTED THE FO TO CLB THE ACFT INTO COFFIN CORNER.
Narrative: CRUISE FL370, RECEIVED WX RPT, SVR WX WARNING, LEVEL 4 AND LEVEL 6 TSTMS. CAPT TOLD ME TO CLB TO FL390, THEN TO FL410. HE HAD CHKED BUFFET SPDS FOR THIS WT AND ALT. CAPT THEN TOLD ATC WE WANTED TO BLOCK ALTS FL410 TO FL430. I (PF) CHKED PERFORMANCE CHARTS AND TOLD CAPT WE WERE ABOUT 30000 LBS TOO HVY FOR FL430. HE TOLD ME I WAS WRONG AND THAT IN HIS 'EXPERIENCE' HE WOULD USE A CHART OTHER THAN THE MAX ALT/OPERATING WT CHART. HE SOLELY USED BUFFET SPD CHART AND INTERPOLATED NUMBERS FOR FL430 AND SPD OF 195 KTS. HE THEN ORDERED ME TO CLB FL430. I TOLD HIM WE WERE TOO HVY AND EXPLAINED MY USE OF CHARTS. HE ORDERED ME TO FL430 IN AN ATTEMPT TO TOP TSTMS (FL500) AND HE PUSHED FLCH TO PUT ACFT IN CLB. FMC STATED MAX ALT FL414. AIRPLANE CLBED TO FL416 AND LEVELED OFF ON AUTOPLT. IN CLB I TOLD CAPT HE WAS PUTTING US IN JEOPARDY OF STALL AND IN A VERY DANGEROUS SIT. HE SAID WE ARE FINE. AS WE APCHED THE TSTM AT FL410 IT WAS CLR WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TOP IT AND MIGHT EVEN FLY THROUGH IT. I TURNED THE AIRPLANE TO PARALLEL THE WX SYS. THE CAPT SAID WE COULD TOP IT, BUT WE COULD NOT, WE HAD MAX CONTINUOUS PWR AND COULD NOT CLB ANYMORE, AIRSPD SLOWED TO APPROX 205 KTS. IN STRAIGHT AND LEVEL FLT AT FL416 GROSS WT OF 268,200 LBS, STICK SHAKER ACTIVATED FOR ABOUT 1.5 SECONDS. I IMMEDIATELY TURNED OFF AUTOPLT AND STARTED A FAIRLY RAPID DSCNT TO FL410 TO GAIN AIRSPD. THE CAPT FIRST TOLD ME TO CLB TO FL425, THEN TO LEVEL AT FL415. I CONTINUED TO FL410 WHERE I KNEW PERFORMANCE WAS ACCEPTABLE. AT FL410 AIRSPD GAIN TO 230 KTS. CONTINUED S UNTIL WAS ABLE TO CIRCUMNAV STORM. CAPT REFUSED TO ACCEPT FACT THAT HE PUT US IN A DANGEROUS SIT. HE STATES THE CHARTS MUST BE WRONG. CAPT'S IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE IN ORDERING ME TO CLB TO AN OVERWT ALT PUT US IN A DANGEROUS SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.