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ZLA controller concerned with multiple 'cleared to land' verifications after clearance has already been issued.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 437687 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199905 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax.tower |
| State Reference | CA |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller limited radar : 2 controller non radar : 12 controller time certified in position1 : 3.5 flight time total : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 437687 |
| Events | |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
It seems that during the past several months we have had a proliferation of pilots asking us to 'verify we're cleared to land.' this is creating a potentially hazardous situation. When aircraft call on final approach, we as a rule, clear them to land with appropriate traffic exchange if necessary. These same aircraft call back on a 1 - 1/2 mi final and cut out our other xmissions because they have forgotten whether or not they are cleared to land. This occasionally happens as we are clearing the preceding departure for takeoff (resulting in 'blocked!' and a possible go around) or instructing the preceding arrival to hold short of or cross the adjacent runway. This takes us away from our concentration and efficiency -- since we have to stop or interrupt what we're doing to reclr the aircraft to land -- and avoid a go around. My suggestion is for all pilots to have in the cockpit some sort of memory aid to either turn over or check to remind them of their landing clearance. It won't completely eliminate the problem, but any reduction in frequency congestion will improve efficiency and safety.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZLA CTLR CONCERNED WITH MULTIPLE 'CLRED TO LAND' VERIFICATIONS AFTER CLRNC HAS ALREADY BEEN ISSUED.
Narrative: IT SEEMS THAT DURING THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS WE HAVE HAD A PROLIFERATION OF PLTS ASKING US TO 'VERIFY WE'RE CLRED TO LAND.' THIS IS CREATING A POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS SIT. WHEN ACFT CALL ON FINAL APCH, WE AS A RULE, CLR THEM TO LAND WITH APPROPRIATE TFC EXCHANGE IF NECESSARY. THESE SAME ACFT CALL BACK ON A 1 - 1/2 MI FINAL AND CUT OUT OUR OTHER XMISSIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE CLRED TO LAND. THIS OCCASIONALLY HAPPENS AS WE ARE CLRING THE PRECEDING DEP FOR TKOF (RESULTING IN 'BLOCKED!' AND A POSSIBLE GAR) OR INSTRUCTING THE PRECEDING ARR TO HOLD SHORT OF OR CROSS THE ADJACENT RWY. THIS TAKES US AWAY FROM OUR CONCENTRATION AND EFFICIENCY -- SINCE WE HAVE TO STOP OR INTERRUPT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO RECLR THE ACFT TO LAND -- AND AVOID A GAR. MY SUGGESTION IS FOR ALL PLTS TO HAVE IN THE COCKPIT SOME SORT OF MEMORY AID TO EITHER TURN OVER OR CHK TO REMIND THEM OF THEIR LNDG CLRNC. IT WON'T COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE PROB, BUT ANY REDUCTION IN FREQ CONGESTION WILL IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND SAFETY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.