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Attributes | |
ACN | 438112 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | L-1011 Tri-Star All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Route In Use | approach : visual approach : straight in departure : noise abatement |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 1300 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 125 |
ASRS Report | 438112 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : executed go around |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 450 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : lax.airport |
Chart | approach : 25l vis terminal area : lax |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was cleared for a visual approach to runway 25L behind an air carrier Y B767. The air carrier B767 was sidestepped to runway 25R. We were cleared to land on runway 25L. At 1000 ft AGL we were sidestepped by tower to land on runway 25R and cleared to land. An air carrier Y B767 was then cleared to take off on runway 25L. At 200 ft AGL we initiated a go around and told the tower, as the air carrier Z B767 was still on the runway 25R centerline. No go around was issued by the tower. We were given a 250 degree heading by the tower. While still over the runway we received a TCASII RA on the air carrier Y B767 departing runway 25L and slightly below us over runway 25L. The TCASII RA called for a climbing right (north) turn. Turning to the right (north) was not an option as there was traffic slightly ahead and above us departing from the north complex. I observed the air carrier Y B767 turning south away from us and we maintained heading 250 degrees. As the air carrier Y B767 turned away the situation was resolved. We were vectored around to the south to return and land on runway 25L. We were kept at 5000 ft MSL during the vector until very late, then cleared for a visual (slam-dunked) to runway 25L. Problems: 1) no go around was issued by the tower in a possible aircraft on runway/aircraft landing conflict. 2) inadequate airspace allowed by the tower for gars. Centerline-to-centerline distance between runway 25L and runway 25R measures to be about 600 ft. Decreasing this by the wing spans of an L1011 and a B767 aircraft leaves about 450 ft, assuming both aircraft are over the ctrlines. Too close in takeoff and landing configns with limited maneuverability for both aircraft. Resolution: 1) tower must issue gars when necessary. 2) tower must leave more interval between takeoff and landing traffic on close parallel runways to allow for possible gars.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HAZARDOUS SIT INCREASES AT LAX WHILE L1011 RECEIVES LAST MIN SIDESTEP TO RWY 25L AND ENSUING GAR BECAUSE OF TFC ON RWY FOLLOWED BY TCASII RA AT LOW ALT.
Narrative: ACR X WAS CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25L BEHIND AN ACR Y B767. THE ACR B767 WAS SIDESTEPPED TO RWY 25R. WE WERE CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 25L. AT 1000 FT AGL WE WERE SIDESTEPPED BY TWR TO LAND ON RWY 25R AND CLRED TO LAND. AN ACR Y B767 WAS THEN CLRED TO TAKE OFF ON RWY 25L. AT 200 FT AGL WE INITIATED A GAR AND TOLD THE TWR, AS THE ACR Z B767 WAS STILL ON THE RWY 25R CTRLINE. NO GAR WAS ISSUED BY THE TWR. WE WERE GIVEN A 250 DEG HDG BY THE TWR. WHILE STILL OVER THE RWY WE RECEIVED A TCASII RA ON THE ACR Y B767 DEPARTING RWY 25L AND SLIGHTLY BELOW US OVER RWY 25L. THE TCASII RA CALLED FOR A CLBING R (N) TURN. TURNING TO THE R (N) WAS NOT AN OPTION AS THERE WAS TFC SLIGHTLY AHEAD AND ABOVE US DEPARTING FROM THE N COMPLEX. I OBSERVED THE ACR Y B767 TURNING S AWAY FROM US AND WE MAINTAINED HDG 250 DEGS. AS THE ACR Y B767 TURNED AWAY THE SIT WAS RESOLVED. WE WERE VECTORED AROUND TO THE S TO RETURN AND LAND ON RWY 25L. WE WERE KEPT AT 5000 FT MSL DURING THE VECTOR UNTIL VERY LATE, THEN CLRED FOR A VISUAL (SLAM-DUNKED) TO RWY 25L. PROBS: 1) NO GAR WAS ISSUED BY THE TWR IN A POSSIBLE ACFT ON RWY/ACFT LNDG CONFLICT. 2) INADEQUATE AIRSPACE ALLOWED BY THE TWR FOR GARS. CTRLINE-TO-CTRLINE DISTANCE BTWN RWY 25L AND RWY 25R MEASURES TO BE ABOUT 600 FT. DECREASING THIS BY THE WING SPANS OF AN L1011 AND A B767 ACFT LEAVES ABOUT 450 FT, ASSUMING BOTH ACFT ARE OVER THE CTRLINES. TOO CLOSE IN TKOF AND LNDG CONFIGNS WITH LIMITED MANEUVERABILITY FOR BOTH ACFT. RESOLUTION: 1) TWR MUST ISSUE GARS WHEN NECESSARY. 2) TWR MUST LEAVE MORE INTERVAL BTWN TKOF AND LNDG TFC ON CLOSE PARALLEL RWYS TO ALLOW FOR POSSIBLE GARS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.