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Attributes | |
ACN | 438937 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 200 agl bound upper : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Windshear |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | L-1011 Tri-Star All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 13r other other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 438937 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 439305 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : wind ind. aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : ins/gps other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : executed go around |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Weather ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : d10.tracon |
Narrative:
Flew las-dfw without event until approach to runway 13R dfw. Windshear reported by previous landing aircraft. We never received windshear warning indication in cockpit. At 200 ft AGL, approach end winds were 320 degrees at 23 KTS. Elected to go around. Second approach, this time to runway 18R, same results, 20 KT tailwind at 500 ft. Elected to go around again. Expressed concern to dfw approach control about lack of wind information given us by approach and tower until short final at low altitudes. ATC changed runways. Vectored for and landed on runway 36L without further event. Although numerous windshear reports given, we elected gars in absence of windshear warning only because of strong tailwinds below 1000 ft AGL on approach. I am not concerned about ensuing violations as a jump seating FAA official expressed no concern for our performance. But I'm submitting this report as a conservative measure since the FAA was present. Supplemental information from acn 439305: while being vectored to final, approach control advised us that the winds were favorable for runway 13R and they would vector us for that runway. As we turned base to final, performance deteriorated. Tower reported midfield winds were still favorable for landing runway 13R. On short final, tower reported a tailwind of 18 KTS. We were vectored around for an approach to runway 18R. Upon turning final, we monitored our INS/GPS for wind readouts. Even though tower reported winds out of the south, the INS/GPS both indicated winds out of the northwest at 22 KTS. We initiated another missed approach. Upon contacting approach/departure controller, we notified them of the disparity between reported surface winds and actual wind as indicated by INS/GPS on final approach. Approachs to the south runways were terminated, and the airport was turned around to accept approachs from the south.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN L1011 PERFORMS 2 GARS DUE TO TAILWINDS BEING EVIDENT ON SHORT FINALS, LNDG SE AND S PRIOR TO DFW CHANGING LNDG DIRECTIONS TO THE N.
Narrative: FLEW LAS-DFW WITHOUT EVENT UNTIL APCH TO RWY 13R DFW. WINDSHEAR RPTED BY PREVIOUS LNDG ACFT. WE NEVER RECEIVED WINDSHEAR WARNING INDICATION IN COCKPIT. AT 200 FT AGL, APCH END WINDS WERE 320 DEGS AT 23 KTS. ELECTED TO GO AROUND. SECOND APCH, THIS TIME TO RWY 18R, SAME RESULTS, 20 KT TAILWIND AT 500 FT. ELECTED TO GO AROUND AGAIN. EXPRESSED CONCERN TO DFW APCH CTL ABOUT LACK OF WIND INFO GIVEN US BY APCH AND TWR UNTIL SHORT FINAL AT LOW ALTS. ATC CHANGED RWYS. VECTORED FOR AND LANDED ON RWY 36L WITHOUT FURTHER EVENT. ALTHOUGH NUMEROUS WINDSHEAR RPTS GIVEN, WE ELECTED GARS IN ABSENCE OF WINDSHEAR WARNING ONLY BECAUSE OF STRONG TAILWINDS BELOW 1000 FT AGL ON APCH. I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ENSUING VIOLATIONS AS A JUMP SEATING FAA OFFICIAL EXPRESSED NO CONCERN FOR OUR PERFORMANCE. BUT I'M SUBMITTING THIS RPT AS A CONSERVATIVE MEASURE SINCE THE FAA WAS PRESENT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 439305: WHILE BEING VECTORED TO FINAL, APCH CTL ADVISED US THAT THE WINDS WERE FAVORABLE FOR RWY 13R AND THEY WOULD VECTOR US FOR THAT RWY. AS WE TURNED BASE TO FINAL, PERFORMANCE DETERIORATED. TWR RPTED MIDFIELD WINDS WERE STILL FAVORABLE FOR LNDG RWY 13R. ON SHORT FINAL, TWR RPTED A TAILWIND OF 18 KTS. WE WERE VECTORED AROUND FOR AN APCH TO RWY 18R. UPON TURNING FINAL, WE MONITORED OUR INS/GPS FOR WIND READOUTS. EVEN THOUGH TWR RPTED WINDS OUT OF THE S, THE INS/GPS BOTH INDICATED WINDS OUT OF THE NW AT 22 KTS. WE INITIATED ANOTHER MISSED APCH. UPON CONTACTING APCH/DEP CTLR, WE NOTIFIED THEM OF THE DISPARITY BTWN RPTED SURFACE WINDS AND ACTUAL WIND AS INDICATED BY INS/GPS ON FINAL APCH. APCHS TO THE S RWYS WERE TERMINATED, AND THE ARPT WAS TURNED AROUND TO ACCEPT APCHS FROM THE S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.