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Captain of a B727 complains about runway assignment when the actual tailwind component exceeds the aircraft operating limitations.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 439284 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199906 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | other |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cvg.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 4000 |
| ASRS Report | 439284 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure non adherence other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : cvg.tower |
Narrative:
At cvg there is a runway preference system based on a maximum tailwind component of 7 KTS. This morning as well as the previous morning, landing aircraft were reporting tailwind components of 13 and 17 KTS respectively. Subsequent conversation with tower personnel said that they believe it does not apply to the nighttime runway stepdown procedure. This is in direct conflict with the procedures I participated in establishing. It is unsafe and the tower doesn't appear to care. The tower was reporting winds of 065 degrees at 5 KTS or 060 degrees at 7 KTS when aircraft were reporting high tailwind. We also noted that windsock was nearly horizontal and pointing down runway. Asked tower to verify that the runway 27 anemometer was being used. The tower person I spoke to by phone was adamant about their choice of runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A B727 COMPLAINS ABOUT RWY ASSIGNMENT WHEN THE ACTUAL TAILWIND COMPONENT EXCEEDS THE ACFT OPERATING LIMITATIONS.
Narrative: AT CVG THERE IS A RWY PREFERENCE SYS BASED ON A MAX TAILWIND COMPONENT OF 7 KTS. THIS MORNING AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS MORNING, LNDG ACFT WERE RPTING TAILWIND COMPONENTS OF 13 AND 17 KTS RESPECTIVELY. SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION WITH TWR PERSONNEL SAID THAT THEY BELIEVE IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE NIGHTTIME RWY STEPDOWN PROC. THIS IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE PROCS I PARTICIPATED IN ESTABLISHING. IT IS UNSAFE AND THE TWR DOESN'T APPEAR TO CARE. THE TWR WAS RPTING WINDS OF 065 DEGS AT 5 KTS OR 060 DEGS AT 7 KTS WHEN ACFT WERE RPTING HIGH TAILWIND. WE ALSO NOTED THAT WINDSOCK WAS NEARLY HORIZ AND POINTING DOWN RWY. ASKED TWR TO VERIFY THAT THE RWY 27 ANEMOMETER WAS BEING USED. THE TWR PERSON I SPOKE TO BY PHONE WAS ADAMANT ABOUT THEIR CHOICE OF RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.