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Attributes | |
ACN | 439721 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 3800 |
ASRS Report | 739721 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : executed go around |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Aircraft X on a visual approach to runway 17R. On a 3 mi final at 170 KTS tower said 'there is a boeing B767 going into position and hold and asked us to do a wide s-turn and slow to approach speeds.' we started the s-turn to the right and finished to the left, and slowed. Tower said 'I needed that to the left.' I guess referring to the s-turn and cleared us to land about 2 mi final. Then about .5 mi final she said 'go around' because the B767 was only about 1/4 - 1/2 mi down the runway. We went around and came in and landed. It was my first officer's first time in dia. He was inexperienced at large airports and unprepared, behind the airplane, and doesn't interpret ATC clrncs very well. I could have taken the controls and slowed right away or sooner than my first officer did, since he didn't slow right away. His excuse was that tower didn't say slow immediately, but I thought that was implied, (since tower was putting another aircraft on the runway) and it was kind of common sense. Also tower put an aircraft on the runway for departure in front of us the week prior, and I was flying with a different first officer, we almost had to go around then, so I could have used that situation in today's approach brief. I had only been there twice prior and didn't realize that was common practice here.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR REMARKS ABOUT DEN TWR'S PRACTICE OF FREQUENTLY ASKING ACFT ON FINAL TO MAKES S-TURNS TO INCREASE SPACING FOR DEPARTING FLTS ON THE SAME RWY.
Narrative: ACFT X ON A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 17R. ON A 3 MI FINAL AT 170 KTS TWR SAID 'THERE IS A BOEING B767 GOING INTO POS AND HOLD AND ASKED US TO DO A WIDE S-TURN AND SLOW TO APCH SPDS.' WE STARTED THE S-TURN TO THE R AND FINISHED TO THE L, AND SLOWED. TWR SAID 'I NEEDED THAT TO THE L.' I GUESS REFERRING TO THE S-TURN AND CLRED US TO LAND ABOUT 2 MI FINAL. THEN ABOUT .5 MI FINAL SHE SAID 'GO AROUND' BECAUSE THE B767 WAS ONLY ABOUT 1/4 - 1/2 MI DOWN THE RWY. WE WENT AROUND AND CAME IN AND LANDED. IT WAS MY FO'S FIRST TIME IN DIA. HE WAS INEXPERIENCED AT LARGE ARPTS AND UNPREPARED, BEHIND THE AIRPLANE, AND DOESN'T INTERPRET ATC CLRNCS VERY WELL. I COULD HAVE TAKEN THE CTLS AND SLOWED RIGHT AWAY OR SOONER THAN MY FO DID, SINCE HE DIDN'T SLOW RIGHT AWAY. HIS EXCUSE WAS THAT TWR DIDN'T SAY SLOW IMMEDIATELY, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPLIED, (SINCE TWR WAS PUTTING ANOTHER ACFT ON THE RWY) AND IT WAS KIND OF COMMON SENSE. ALSO TWR PUT AN ACFT ON THE RWY FOR DEP IN FRONT OF US THE WK PRIOR, AND I WAS FLYING WITH A DIFFERENT FO, WE ALMOST HAD TO GO AROUND THEN, SO I COULD HAVE USED THAT SIT IN TODAY'S APCH BRIEF. I HAD ONLY BEEN THERE TWICE PRIOR AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS COMMON PRACTICE HERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.